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Low Sec: Withering in the shadow of Null Sec

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Jessie-A Tassik
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#1 - 2012-04-15 15:03:43 UTC  |  Edited by: Jessie-A Tassik
I've looked at the "advantages" of Low Sec, mining doesn't pay that much more than High Sec at all.....

But it sure pays better in Null Sec.

Planets aren't that much better than High Sec....

But they sure are better in Null Sec.

Moons aren't that great...

But they sure are better in Null Sec..

and all of this "gain" for what is obviously tremendously more risk.

While there seems some effort to make Faction Warfare and Exploration "good" for Low-Sec......

It seems that the developers panic at the thought of giving Low Sec mining or planetary or moon buffs cause that would make Null Sec slightly less absurdly over the top profitable.

So Low Sec is left "very small trivial amount better than High Sec". But it IS NOT trivially better when you factor in ship loss. That you can't use a Freighter to move goods. That Refining rates are poorer. That the Market is less well stocked with goods.

In return, 10-50 percent more "gain"... before losses that is.

If people were Rational Actors trying to maximize ISK per hour, they would never go into Low Sec at all.

Because everything that would make Low Sec profitable is sucked into the "More Money, More Money" for Null Sec.

Low Sec should AT LEAST have the ABC minerals and better planets and buffed moons.

I know, I know. What about Null Sec?

Well, since that is all you think about, they have been really over-buffed.

Just get the Nerf Hammer out and pound them. No nerf to severe.
Lanasak
Doomheim
#2 - 2012-04-15 15:19:26 UTC
what

make incursions exclusive to lowsec, problem solved
Roime
Mea Culpa.
Shadow Cartel
#3 - 2012-04-15 15:24:02 UTC
You sound like a butthurt-over-nothing hisec bear.

If you are so damn jelly over what nullsec residents have, why not go there and stop whining?

Lowsec planets are a lot better than in hi, there's great PVP, blobs are rare and if you want to be by yourself, there's plenty of room for you.

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YuuKnow
The Scope
#4 - 2012-04-15 15:25:42 UTC
What is this? One line per sentence? Learn to write correctly, otherwise, post this bad don't even deserve a response.

yk
Darth Tickles
Doomheim
#5 - 2012-04-15 15:28:32 UTC
Lowsec definitely needs some work. The proposed FW changes look like they're moving in the right direction, and I hope CCP continues to commit resources to making lowsec a viable and unique playstyle.

WHs have shown that a few balanced differences in mechanics can create a whole new alternative playstyle, and it would be amazing for the game in general if they were able to reach a similar balance for lowsec.
Testerxnot Sheepherder
Get Isk or Die Mining
#6 - 2012-04-15 15:31:58 UTC
YuuKnow wrote:
What is this? One line per sentence? Learn to write correctly, otherwise, post this bad don't even deserve a response.

yk


lolololol

Am I the only one noticing the hypocrisy in this post?
Simetraz
State War Academy
Caldari State
#7 - 2012-04-15 15:39:52 UTC
Low-sec resides between High-sec and 0.0.

So to use a common term it is on the pipe which is always more dangerous then being isolated in a dead end constellation.

There are some low-sec havens where people are enjoying themselves collecting ISK but it is entirely dependent on geography.

So for the most part Low-sec will always be the way it is now, no matter what CCP does as far as game mechanics.

High-sec , low-sec, 0.0 was never really a valid game progression.

Don't get me wrong, low-sec does serve a purpose and for some they call it home.

But it is low-sec and expecting some magical change that will populate it will never happen.





Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#8 - 2012-04-15 15:40:59 UTC
Jessie-A Tassik wrote:
Because everything that would make Low Sec profitable is sucked into the "More Money, More Money" for Null Sec.

Yep. Delicious tech moons that, if you touch, will cry out for titans to drop on you.

Oh what was that about your Venal tech moons? Didn't want them anyway huh ...

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Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
#9 - 2012-04-15 15:45:04 UTC
Jessie-A Tassik wrote:

Low Sec should AT LEAST have the ABC minerals and better planets and buffed moons.


I recall mining some high ends in low sec...
Tobiaz
Spacerats
#10 - 2012-04-15 15:48:18 UTC
Roime wrote:
You sound like a butthurt-over-nothing hisec bear.

If you are so damn jelly over what nullsec residents have, why not go there and stop whining?

Lowsec planets are a lot better than in hi, there's great PVP, blobs are rare and if you want to be by yourself, there's plenty of room for you.



PvP is low sec is rare, unless you stick around the bottleneck and FW systems and there you WILL get blobbed pretty quickly, not to mention you are likely to get hotdropped if you try to do something about it. Everywhere else the systems are either empty or everyone quickly docks or hides in their POS whenever someone pops up in local.

For individuals and smaller corporations low-sec is MUCH more risky then when you're part of a big null-alliance and live in the very safe hinterlands. Yet the rewards hardly represent that.

It's a simple fact that the population of low-sec is much, much lower then most of the null-sec systems that have stations in them, and because WH clearly show people are willing to take risks as long as the rewards are appropiate, it's obvious that the rewards in low-sec are simply too low.

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Tobiaz
Spacerats
#11 - 2012-04-15 15:49:11 UTC
Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:
Jessie-A Tassik wrote:

Low Sec should AT LEAST have the ABC minerals and better planets and buffed moons.


I recall mining some high ends in low sec...


Something you can do in null and W-space as well, yet with a lot less risk.

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Adunh Slavy
#12 - 2012-04-15 16:01:51 UTC
Simetraz wrote:

So for the most part Low-sec will always be the way it is now, no matter what CCP does as far as game mechanics.


Maybe. The crimewatch 2 may have an impact, although I think it is going to fall a bit short. With the new systems +5s can go after pirates and shoot first with out a sec status hit. Where this will fall short is that it is +5s v -5s. That leaves far too much area in the middle. +2s v -2s would tighten it up considerably.

We'll see what's in store when the devblog comes, and how it plays out.

Necessity is the plea for every infringement of human freedom. It is the argument of tyrants; it is the creed of slaves.  - William Pitt

ElQuirko
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#13 - 2012-04-15 16:25:58 UTC  |  Edited by: ElQuirko
YuuKnow wrote:
What is this? One line per sentence? Learn to write correctly, otherwise, post this bad don't even deserve a response.

yk


"What is this? One Line per sentence? Learn to write correctly" - Fixed your double spacing, although the forum shows no double spacing in quotes.
"Learn to write correctly - post this bad don't even deserve a response" - Removed unnecessary use of the word "otherwise"
"Learn to write correctly - posts this bad don't even deserve a response / a post this bad doesn't even deserve a response" - structured in a way that makes much more sense

Think we've got a case of the pot calling the kettle black here, people.
(For anyone that doesn't know what that means - he's a hypocrite.)

Dodixie > Hek

Aqriue
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#14 - 2012-04-15 16:31:40 UTC
Lulzec is that shithole that you plop your poophole over and release the contents...of your rage.

Its ment to be a wasteland, because since you the player were given it by CCP to do as you wish you decided to play FPS shoot everything on grid gate camps...basicly you destroyed lowsec by playing easy mode and just blasting the **** out of everything instead of taking advantage of the level 5s, higher paying level 4s, the ores that are better then highsec ores but its far to dangerous so why bother....yep lulzec is a shithole and it is your fault for the way you play. It doesnt need a buff, because it already has far better options then highsec but highsec has a better community and the CONCORD bully to keep everything in check.
Kessiaan
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#15 - 2012-04-15 16:38:29 UTC  |  Edited by: Kessiaan
NPC null is really a hidden gem, IMO. Way better ISK than lowsec, no gate/station guns to get in the way, and no having to deal with sov. ever.

I don't think lowsec is terribly broken tbh, it works for the people who live there who want more casual pvp than what you find in most of nullsec (even NPC nullsec) and easier access to markets. The 'problems' with lowsec stem from the fact that it's right next to highsec, which might as well be a different game from the rest of EvE. People jump into lowsec and get smoked because they don't understand how EvE works outside of highsec, not because it's broken mechanics-wise.

All that said I still think lowsec could use some buffs to pull more of the casual pvpers in. I have high hopes for Inferno.
Gorki Andropov
I Dn't Knw Wht You Wnt Bt I Cn't Gve It Anymre
#16 - 2012-04-15 16:42:18 UTC
Roime wrote:
You sound like a butthurt-over-nothing hisec bear.




Well, he's obviously butthurt over something so I guess that throws your argument out the window Ugh
Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
#17 - 2012-04-15 17:31:37 UTC
Tobiaz wrote:
Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:
Jessie-A Tassik wrote:

Low Sec should AT LEAST have the ABC minerals and better planets and buffed moons.


I recall mining some high ends in low sec...


Something you can do in null and W-space as well, yet with a lot less risk.


Of course, but I was just correcting the statement.
Jessie-A Tassik
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#18 - 2012-04-15 18:48:23 UTC  |  Edited by: Jessie-A Tassik
Alavaria Fera wrote:
Jessie-A Tassik wrote:
Because everything that would make Low Sec profitable is sucked into the "More Money, More Money" for Null Sec.

Yep. Delicious tech moons that, if you touch, will cry out for titans to drop on you.

Oh what was that about your Venal tech moons? Didn't want them anyway huh ...


Wasn't it awesome in the old days when a Bright Wizard bomb squad could wipe out 30+ characters just BOOM!

Oh wait, I meant, wasn't it great in the old days when a Titan's Doomsday device was AOE and could be fired through a Cynosural Field and wipe out dozens of ships just BOOM?

That's actually more stupid than Bright Wizard bomb squads. Ha ha. But heh, Eve is the only spaceship MMO so you are fine for now.

Even the Null Bear cried out against that insane gimme to Null Bears... who are the only group rich enough, or with the SOV to build such things.

That the Titan exists is another point of developers favoring Null Sec.
Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
#19 - 2012-04-15 19:02:19 UTC
Jessie-A Tassik wrote:


Wasn't it awesome in the old days when a Bright Wizard bomb squad could wipe out 30+ characters just BOOM!

Oh wait, I meant, wasn't it great in the old days when a Titan's Doomsday device was AOE and could be fired through a Cynosural Field and wipe out dozens of ships just BOOM?

That's actually more stupid than Bright Wizard bomb squads. Ha ha. But heh, Eve is the only spaceship MMO so you are fine for now.


Warhammer Online player spotted!

BTW my sorceress would still kill you.
Vyl Vit
#20 - 2012-04-15 19:56:13 UTC
Lanasak wrote:
make incursions exclusive to lowsec, problem solved

This way...the "pirates" will have a pool of victims! Shrewd.

Paradise is like where you are right now, only much, much better.

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