Player Features and Ideas Discussion

the problem with mining is if you make it not afk its distracting enough to get you killed. or its so rewarding that in the long run it minerals will be too cheap.
a super hulk miner cake that eats 1 roid in a 3 min cycle would be cool but then minerals would be near free

can't have clicking games because some people DO like the afk mining and while clicking and crap you can easily be ganked.

mining while logged out like moon mining is also a terrible idea

what we need is a reasonable option for miners.

Well guess what you already do that sucking the roid in one go part...

At least in high sec where roids are quite small and on occasion some belts have been stripped bare already.
Also you can't really be AFK when your cargo is near full every 3 minutes and you have to target new roids.
If you do it AFK you're doing it wrong not because AFK is bad but because it obviously means that your efficiency is sub par.

For full AFK-minign spree, fit a regular roid drill in your orca and hug that roid, I can assure you that cargo space will take a long time to fill up.
or you could always sit in the ice belt and hug those with ice drills, I've heard that's also a very long term investment.

No its not for the social chattering folks.

MARKET is boring

You can make mining as fun as you want.

When i mine i am working hard to keep up with the rest of the ships, to fill up the Orca. In my case mining is more active then ratting. Or do missions.

Yes i may have a bit more ships under my own control, but thats the way i like to play and it works fine. (Yes i would like to have some more stuff hapening while mining, but it should not brake the multiboxing.)

Also for people hating the minerals rising in price; start your mininglasers.

mmmm.....suck that Kernite. suck it HARD!


Second, if you're mining in systems where the belts are stripped, you are doing it WRONG and are more likely to get hit by a suicide ganker. Yes, you may be closer to a trade hub, or there may be more people in the area, but there are more people in the area. If I decided to go on a ganking spree, would I want to roam a constellation where there's hardly anyone or would I rather go to a system that is always being stripped of roids? A system where I could almost literally throw a dart at a wall of balloons. repeatedly, and then mine those sweet, sweet miner tears (speaking as an occasional miner and a lover of tears).

There ARE entire constellations out there where the belts aren't really touched. you....may want to look into moving if you REALLY like mining but are constantly complaining of the belts stripping. You'd probably go through a lot of singles though.

Third: NETFLIX. buy it, watch it. Helps keep you sane. Just keep a sharp eye out. Don't watch anything too good or you'll forget your barges, but don't go watching something so horrible as, say, the MTV Spiderman, where you crave for the veldspar to be real so you can jam it into your eyeballs. It's a balance.

Fourth: keep an eye on your local for spikes and anyone else in local. Generally if local spikes you might want to dock up for a bit. Oh, my bad, you're in a system that usually has 50+ people, so you can't watch for that, really.

The problem with mining isn't that it's boring or an afk activity. The problem is that that is all it is. The variation in the different mining activities should be more, than just a difference in the time it takes to cycle your modules. Playing actively while mining provides additional safety from gankers, but doesn't benefit the mining part in any way. All you do is watch lights on your screen while you try to think of ways to pass the time. The only fix CCP needs to do is improve on the active mining part of the game and increase the variety of the different types of mining.

These issues aren't a problem with just mining though. Exploration profession sites also suffer from similar issues. The only difference between the professions is that it takes a different module(codebreaker, salvager or analyzer) to hack the available cans, that are just floating in space. The gameplay of those professions is basicly reduced to activating the module on a can, waiting for 5 seconds and getting your random loot drop from the mystery box. Not exactly riveting gameplay or feels nothing like hacking or archeology should feel. CCP hasn't exactly done anything to improve the gameplay of their older features in a long time and there really is a ton of room for improvement on many fronts.

For me, mining is fine as it is. Though I'm not a mining-only player.

What I wouldn't want would be some mini-game breaking my immersion.

Perhaps a control display which needed constant attention?

Like having a couple of variables (laser strength, laser width, laser penetrating capability, laser temperature and so on). You would need to monitor and shift these during the mining cycle, while the game randomly changes outside (asteroid) parameters.

If you fall out of basic parameters, the mining cycle will stop.

If you are within perfect parameters the mining yield will be better.

>> no afk mining and feeling like a mining engineer

if it DID change like that, you could forget about keeping a weather eye out for gankers, lol......

and low sec mining would be 20x more dangerous, lol....

Moved from 'EVE General Discussion'.

Currently prices are probably where they should be, to make current mining competitive. The problem is that there is no development path for miners - after 3 months you have a maxed out pilot and a can't be beaten setup. In contrast mission running can benefit from better skills/ships - probably for up to about 18 months.

The answer i think, as you say, is to augment the current mining game, augmenting it with new stuff, and skill training that goes out to about 2 years. But in order to do that you need to reduce mining yields on a current maxed out hulk pilot.

So....

+ nerf current yields by 3 times accross the board on al mining platforms.

+ add new mining method that delivers
- 2x hulk yield after a further 6 months training, and 500M investment
- 3x after 12 months, and 1B investment
- 4x after 2 yrs training and 2B investment.

+ make sure that mining platforms/ships provide such that
- lowsec pays 1.8x highsec for a skilled player (including losses)
- 0.0 pays 2.5x highsec for a skilled player (including losses)

+ try to make the new method more *challenging* in terms of risk/attention/strategy/skill