EVE New Citizens Q&A

I understand that industry members can't really do much good in a war declaration but is it common for a CEO of a corp to tell the miners to sit at a station and not play until the war is over? Just wondering if this is normal practice.

If it is normal than imo you are taking away game time from the people that pay to play. Myself i dont have the pvp skills at all right now to even do any good because i have focused most of my time in skilling for industry.

I've been reading up a bit and looks like that corps do not have the ability just yet to opt-out of war decs. Too bad.

If there is some information that anybody can help shed the light a bit on how us miners can not be frowned upon but mining in a war dec please tell me.

Thanks

Well, the simplest way to get wardeccers to leave is typically to make them bored by denying them kills. I'm guessing that that's what your CEO is trying to do.

It's not always the best solution though, since asking people to just not play for a week or two isn't fun either.

There are two other ways to go about stuff:
1. Don't give them any kills, but still go about your business (easy for some professions, but mining and missioning tend to have you sitting in one spot for long periods)
2. Drop corp for the duration of the war.

It is a lame situation though, that's for sure.

Making an Alt for PvP

So i was thinking then that I would just make an alt train it up for pvp, add him to my corp, so when we get wardec'd i can just switch to my alt then i can actually be of some use and help fight. But apparently you can't train skills that your main has at the same time?

If this is true, why the restriction and what's the point of creating an alt? Well i guess one can spy i guess. :)

As long as you pay attention to local and warp to a SS when a hostile enters and/or fly insured t1 barges rather than bringing out your hulks and orcas you should be fine.

Disappearing to another region for awhile can be effective.

It all depends on the "quality" and knowledge of the corp's members, which has nothing to do with being a miner or not and everything to do with one's own drive to put in effort to succeed. People who are (or remain) clueless are best off staying docked because anything else would probably get them in trouble but there's many things you can do to lower the chance of being killed. Here's a few things you can do:

- add all hostile corp members to your contact list and enable the online/offline option, so you KNOW if there's any online (use www.evewho.com for this)
- detach local chat from the other windows, expand it vertically and keep an eye on it every second
- live in a system that has less people in it so you'll be alerted to hostiles or their neutral scouts
- don't jump into systems you have no scout in and generally avoid busy systems because you'll probably miss the one WT who's going to tackle you
- if you have to move around, use fast&agile ships, preferably with a MWD and cloak fitted
- make undock bookmarks, learn about (re)docking mechanics

Those are all things any player can learn and do regardless of them being a miner or not or them disliking PVP. On the offense side newbies or industrialists can help too: it doesn't take very long to fly a decently fit Blackbird (few days tops), if you have some more combat focussed people in your corp then you can support them just fine with 4-5 rabid miners flying blackbirds who all took an hour or two to talk and practise teamwork. The hostiles will hate you for it which is exactly what you want.

So it all depends on how much effort you and your corp members are willing to put into learning the game a bit and being prepared, preferred playstyle has nothing to do with it. You can choose to stay the victim or you can choose to stand your ground.

Honestly, this is a stuped tactic. When we as carebears got pissed off and war deced another corp - one of our goals was to make them leave that corp. Sure you can rejoin later, still a pretty stupid move imho.

Who says Industry members can't do much good in a fight? Can you fit a warp scrambler or some turrets on a frigate? The answer is probably a resounding "yes", so get out there and fight. A lot of "grieferdecs" will be rescinded as soon as they see that their victims are willing to fight back. And one questions why you would only train Industry skills and not any combat skills at all. That's just a silly thing to do.

If you're looking for a game where you can "opt out" of PvP, then EVE Online isn't for you. Even if you stay in NPC corps, you'll be limited to hi-sec and even then people will still "gank" you from time to time. So either suck it up and learn to fight or go play another game. Maybe Harvest Moon?

For as long as the wardeccer wants it to. In addition, if they see "tears" (a forum post complaining about it), they're likely to continue doing it even longer. Some people just like to cause others grief (a valid playstyle in this game).



I disagree. Eve Online is PVP nearly 100% of the time. Whether you're battling other players ship to ship or undercutting on the Market, it's all various forms of PVP. Being immune to that isn't what Eve Online is about.

Sidenote: The closest you're going to get to being "immune" to PVP is by staying in an NPC corp in high-sec space. That said, there are pilots and corporations out there who's sole purpose in life, it seems, is to fit up gank ships and blow up miners and industrialists purely "for teh lulz". So, even in an NPC corp in high-sec space, you aren't ever truly safe.



The wardec mechanics will be changing soon. Whether for the good or not (IE, helpful in your situation), I don't know.

What I can say is that a wardec doesn't need you to stop playing, if you're smart, or have an alt. ;)

This is eve, if they give people the chance to "op-out" of pvp they'll be turning on their current player base which will most likley result in mass rage quits.

Also "I don't have skill x so I can't pvp"

erm... you can be useful in a fleet from day 2 of eve tbh.

[Rifter, Low Skill tackle]
Gyrostabilizer I
Overdrive Injector System I
Inertia Stabilizers I

1MN Afterburner I
Warp Scrambler I
Stasis Webifier I

250mm Light Artillery Cannon I, EMP S
250mm Light Artillery Cannon I, EMP S
250mm Light Artillery Cannon I, EMP S
Rocket Launcher I, Mjolnir Rocket

Small Polycarbon Engine Housing I
Small Auxiliary Thrusters I
Small Auxiliary Thrusters I

Fly that, tackle ****, get stuff held down so your guys can blow stuff up, be useful.

You know, if you're not part of the sollution you're part of the problem.
Never know, you might realise that losing isk is WAY more interesting than making it.

You can set your standings to the corp that's wardecced you to a level that isn't being used for anything else (my corp sets long-term enemies to -5, so I tend to do personal settings at -10) then you'll be able to see when War Targets are in local at any time and simply dock up then.

Additionally, you could:

-- Go somewhere else to mine

-- Get your minerals from trading

-- Go around in a PvP-fitted frigate instead, so that you can put up a fight, and even if you lose they don't get a very good killmail

-- (Your corp could) join a larger alliance to make wardeccing you prohibitively expensive and somewhat dangerous.

-- Move to an area of 0.0 that is generally unoccupied and your enemies are too pussy to fly to.


More generally, Eve is a PvP game, period, end of story. If you don't like how your corp handles your region's PvP then you need to join a new corp. Specifically, one that sets guards on mining ops and uses them as bait in wardec situations, apparently.