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I note that apart from defending a POS (which again is preventing loss, not actually gaining anything), all of the other goals you list are best attained by evading war *by any means* rather than engaging in it since there is no way to decisively win any of them.

If BillCo declares war on me, and I blow up ALL their ships they'll probably let the war drop. I'll wait a bit for you to stop laughing. You know that's not how it works.

SImply put, there is no victory state. Not even a temporary one.

When presented with an unwinnable scenario the rational choice is to avoid it, if the game is set up that the unwinnable scenario is also unavoidable, people will still avoid it by any means at their disposal.

This is actually something that WoW does *right*, but they have to enforce factions with no trade relations between them to reduce the exploitability. You beat another player and you get a token with value for doing so. With fully open trade there are obvious exploits to this, which is why we don't have such things here.

Well, this is because EVE is supposed to be about combat PvP (no, it is not) and is supposed to be fun (no, it is not).

But hen it tuns out that combat PvP barely is a sustainable endeavour and most of the time is not remotely fun. Nobody wants to lose and that leads to PvPrs destroying their own game by being overly conservative. Boldness, cunning and skill are best left to others, which can be defeated by sheer numbers or often will be ignored in favor of hapless targets providing an easy kill.

This happens everywhere where PvP has got a meaningful cost; it's easy to depredate non-Pvp if allowed than to go hunt for preys who can bite back and spoil your "fun".

How can this be fixed? Thre are two ways in what hisec pvP is concerned:

Option one, forget about PvP being "fun". Make it a necessary evil that players undertake solely for survival and will avoid if possible, and thus add many ways to avoid PvP. Yes, this will get rid of hoolignas, bullies and other phony PvP, but will create a race of warriors and will give "war" a true meaning and not just "griefing without retaliation".

Option two, lower the cost of hisec PvP by making it both sustainable and low-cost. Turn hisec PvP into mostly an action sport based on duelists fighting for a jackpot. I already forwarded a suggestion on this:

PvP agents and a PvP League proposal

This way, PvPrs can have PvP, non-PvPrs are safe from griefing, and everybody can have more fun.

Easy, just add an option for corporations to be untouchable by war in exchange for a tax % that goes directly to concord.

One would assume that opting out of wars would incur some stiff penalties, since at that point the only possible combat PvP is either ganking or luring those people into low/null. The other forms of PvP can be taken care of with at least a 50% tax on any wallet transaction, market interaction, clone update, repair service, etc... limited use of public assembly and research lines (like one at a time only), and the inability to anchor anything in space. I've probably missed some things there too.

Reducing risk like that should severely reduce your rewards and options within the game (limit your sandbox since you won't play with others).

Easy fix: no moon mining = non wardeccable.

Only if they took the option to pay tax in return for being untouchable. It's a bad solution anyway, as no-one should be invulnerable, its the failure to address this that has led to the popularity of suicide ganking.

You've no doubt been told before but you're playing the wrong game if you expect to avoid PvP just because you don't want it. While I'd like to believe you're just trolling by playing the "Oh, people who do this are just bullies! Bullies I say!" card, it becomes irrelevent if a troll is lost because you've gone to such lengths to make it seem believable that only you will ever actually know.

Thats quite possibly the worst attempt at spinning I've ever seen. Not being able to and refusing to shoot back are entirely different things. There is no character in the game that "cannot shoot back"

I look forward to your next preposterous post where you yet again choose to pretend to be ignorant, pursuing an angle of "bullying".

I take it you're trying to make some point that only you can understand related to the Mittani incident a few weeks ago?

This is **** and sounds like complete laziness on the part of the design team. Neutral RR is a huge advantage to the aggressors in spite of the proposed "suspect" flag.

Why is it a huge advantage and why is it an advantage specifically to the aggressors and not the defenders? Additionally, why is the ability to render remote assistance to people who are involved in wars in return for being flagged with aggression not okay in your opinion?

Ok now two questions for CCP

I work my 10 hour shifts, come home spent some time with my rl and than i have 1 or 2 hours to play eve. I like eve i don't like facebookgames or wow i play eve since the days of the Great Northern War. http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Great_northern_war. Well my main char. I ve played almost the whole eve map

1) I like to run (for example) lvl4 missions refuel my pos to talk on ts with my buddies and relax. After those 2 hours pass i have to log out cause of whatever stuff i have to do in rl
Why the heck can't i run my lvl4 missions and refueling my pos while drinking my cup of tea, cause suddenly a 16year old wannabe pvper with his friends declares war on me?

I want to run lvl4 for those 2 hours and not to pvp. Why do i have to pvp the moment someone decides that i have to pvp

2) If i want to pvp i go to low sec or 0.0. I want to CHOOSE MYSELF what i wanna do and when i want do it. Why don't you let me choose myself