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Some Command Ships now cheaper than T1 BS's
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malcovas Henderson
THoF
#41 - 2012-04-15 03:07:01 UTC  |  Edited by: malcovas Henderson
double post
DarthNefarius
Minmatar Heavy Industries
#42 - 2012-04-15 05:54:56 UTC
I USED TO DREAM OF FLYING A DAMNATION... now i sigh & shed a tear and hope I still enjoy Eve a year or two from now when the learning trees are adjusted before I consider trainning for it Cry
An' then Chicken@little.com, he come scramblin outta the    Terminal room screaming "The system's crashing! The system's    crashing!" -Uncle RAMus, 'Tales for Cyberpsychotic Children'
Raisa Mole
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#43 - 2012-04-15 06:00:16 UTC
Vince Snetterton wrote:
Hemmo Paskiainen wrote:
whats the insurance on a bs & a commandschip?

a command shio bpo can max produce 20ish ships a month.



Taking the example of the Sleipnir:

Assume BPO of ME9 (1% waste), PE 19.
Mfg time at a station (though I have not calculated profit if you take the 10% mineral hit and mfg at POS with increased mfg time) is 1 day, 4, hrs, 48 minutes = 1.2 days = 25 Sleipnirs/month.
Approx 900 were sold in the past 30 days.

At ME 9, using current Jita sell prices, mfg costs, including Cyclone and R.A.M. is 215,330, 618
As stated, average sell price today was 242, 442, 910 in Jita.
That is a profit of 27,112, 292 / ship. Assuming the T2 owner can sell all 25 into the market of 900 sold in month, that is profit of 677,8097.300 for one mfg slot. That mfg slot of course has zero invention required, zero blueprint copying required. That is not too shabby.

And that number is sure going up as more and more BS pilots swap out for command ship, assuming they have the skills.


Is this intended to be a stealth T2 BPO whine? Because I make that much per slot with T1 stuff, so your argument is pretty weak. Your figure basically boils down to 941k isk/hour on that slot, which is matchable with a lot of other things if you know what you're doing.
Vince Snetterton
#44 - 2012-04-15 06:32:59 UTC
Raisa Mole wrote:
Vince Snetterton wrote:
Hemmo Paskiainen wrote:
whats the insurance on a bs & a commandschip?

a command shio bpo can max produce 20ish ships a month.



Taking the example of the Sleipnir:

Assume BPO of ME9 (1% waste), PE 19.
Mfg time at a station (though I have not calculated profit if you take the 10% mineral hit and mfg at POS with increased mfg time) is 1 day, 4, hrs, 48 minutes = 1.2 days = 25 Sleipnirs/month.
Approx 900 were sold in the past 30 days.

At ME 9, using current Jita sell prices, mfg costs, including Cyclone and R.A.M. is 215,330, 618
As stated, average sell price today was 242, 442, 910 in Jita.
That is a profit of 27,112, 292 / ship. Assuming the T2 owner can sell all 25 into the market of 900 sold in month, that is profit of 677,8097.300 for one mfg slot. That mfg slot of course has zero invention required, zero blueprint copying required. That is not too shabby.

And that number is sure going up as more and more BS pilots swap out for command ship, assuming they have the skills.


Is this intended to be a stealth T2 BPO whine? Because I make that much per slot with T1 stuff, so your argument is pretty weak. Your figure basically boils down to 941k isk/hour on that slot, which is matchable with a lot of other things if you know what you're doing.


I provided numbers. You just say "there are lots of things". Provide numbers for a single item.
Naturally, you will say " I am not giving away my industry secrets.
So provide numbers for a T1 item that does 2/3 of that, and one you are not running.
Kale Eledar
Venerated Industries
#45 - 2012-04-15 18:32:56 UTC
There is one more very important component of Tech II ships that has been mentioned indirectly, but that must be taken into consideration.

Morphite.

With the nerf to Drone loot, the primary (~80%) source of this valuable material has disappeared, making nullsec mining (both good true-sec and spawned gravimetric sites) the only real notable source. Expect the value of Morphite to skyrocket as stocks are depleted, until nullsec pilots both get their Morphite infrastructure/skiff/operations and pilots into mining ships. I'm no market ace, but this will probably cause the cost of Command Ships (the OP's original point) to go higher than they are now, and possibly match or exceed battleships in the near future until the Morphite sources are more established.

First come smiles, then lies. Last is gunfire.
Vince Snetterton
#46 - 2012-04-15 19:33:54 UTC
Kale Eledar wrote:
There is one more very important component of Tech II ships that has been mentioned indirectly, but that must be taken into consideration.

Morphite.

With the nerf to Drone loot, the primary (~80%) source of this valuable material has disappeared, making nullsec mining (both good true-sec and spawned gravimetric sites) the only real notable source. Expect the value of Morphite to skyrocket as stocks are depleted, until nullsec pilots both get their Morphite infrastructure/skiff/operations and pilots into mining ships. I'm no market ace, but this will probably cause the cost of Command Ships (the OP's original point) to go higher than they are now, and possibly match or exceed battleships in the near future until the Morphite sources are more established.


A plausible suggestion, but I think you overestimate the impact that Morphite will have.

Using the example of the Sleipnir BPO, with ME 9, Morphite usage is 202 units.
At current Jita prices (17,303 ISK per unit), the cost of the Morphite is a tad under 3.5 million. The total mfg cost is now between 188 and 190M. That means the Morphite cost is currently approx 1.85% of the overall cost. And that is after the mineral has quadrupled in price in the past few weeks.
If it doubles again to 35,000 per unit, the overall impact is to add another 2% to the cost of the ship, tops.
Now, if the minerals required for the T1 Cyclone that is required for mfg go up just another 20%, that adds 5 or 6 million to the overall cost.

Like I said, the T2 BPO holders are ecstatic about the mineral insanity that its occurring.
Kale Eledar
Venerated Industries
#47 - 2012-04-15 19:57:23 UTC
Vince Snetterton wrote:
Kale Eledar wrote:
There is one more very important component of Tech II ships that has been mentioned indirectly, but that must be taken into consideration.

Morphite.

With the nerf to Drone loot, the primary (~80%) source of this valuable material has disappeared, making nullsec mining (both good true-sec and spawned gravimetric sites) the only real notable source. Expect the value of Morphite to skyrocket as stocks are depleted, until nullsec pilots both get their Morphite infrastructure/skiff/operations and pilots into mining ships. I'm no market ace, but this will probably cause the cost of Command Ships (the OP's original point) to go higher than they are now, and possibly match or exceed battleships in the near future until the Morphite sources are more established.


A plausible suggestion, but I think you overestimate the impact that Morphite will have.

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Probably. I just wanted to bring attention to a potential addition in cost. I don't see it staying high value for super long, either. Like the other minerals, once the market adjusts to the changes, they should stablize eventually.

"Skyrocket" was probably a histrionic word choice.

First come smiles, then lies. Last is gunfire.
Vince Snetterton
#48 - 2012-04-15 20:50:36 UTC  |  Edited by: Vince Snetterton
Kale Eledar wrote:
Vince Snetterton wrote:
[quote=Kale Eledar]There is one more very important component of Tech II ships that has been mentioned indirectly, but that must be taken into consideration

Morphite

With the nerf to Drone loot, the primary (~80%) source of this valuable material has disappeared, making nullsec mining (both good true-sec and spawned gravimetric sites) the only real notable source. Expect the value of Morphite to skyrocket as stocks are depleted, until nullsec pilots both get their Morphite infrastructure/skiff/operations and pilots into mining ships. I'm no market ace, but this will probably cause the cost of Command Ships (the OP's original point) to go higher than they are now, and possibly match or exceed battleships in the near future until the Morphite sources are more established.[/quote

A plausible suggestion, but I think you overestimate the impact that Morphite will have

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Probably. I just wanted to bring attention to a potential addition in cost. I don't see it staying high value for super long, either. Like the other minerals, once the market adjusts to the changes, they should stablize eventually

"Skyrocket" was probably a histrionic word choice.


Actually, "skyrocket is far from histrionic

In the past 6 months

Isogen 62 to 96, up 48%
Megacyte 2778- 3347, up 20%
Mexallon 33- 53, up 60%
Morphite 3470 - 17053, up 391%
Nocxium 426 - 985, up 131%
Pye 4.32 - 7.07, up 63%
Trit 3.40 - 6.05, up 78%
Zydrine 7.24 - 1803, up 149%

I would say "skyrocket" is a very moderate term given those numbers.
lanyaie
Nocturnal Romance
Cynosural Field Theory.
#49 - 2012-04-15 21:13:46 UTC
Ever had that feeling you just feel like posting without reading any of the posts in the thread. This is one of those moments

Spaceprincess

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Kale Eledar
Venerated Industries
#50 - 2012-04-15 22:39:19 UTC
Yeah, I guess so. Nice data!

Morphite up 391...and I see it being at or above 25-30k before all is said and done.

First come smiles, then lies. Last is gunfire.
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