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[UPDATE 07/04] NEW VIDEO ADDED - EVEisEASY.com; a website dedicated to instructional pvp videos!

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Laktos
Perkone
Caldari State
#221 - 2012-04-15 05:36:37 UTC
Maximille Biagge wrote:
I'm sorry but are you saying these "artists" don't owe any thanks to their fans? Are all the Thank-you's at the end of almost every pvp video not sincere and only added because "it's what one does".

Now I in no way ever stated that Garmon and co. NEEDED to produce any of the eveiseasy videos or anything else and am thankful for all the free videos and commentaries they produced. I myself learned from them as many others have.

All I am dissapointed about is that when EiE was announced I myself and i'm sure many others saw it as a kind gesture of sorts, the grand masters laying bare their secrets to us younger players to encourage the growth of this solo PvP community.

I myself have often found myself frustrated trying to solo, being constantly blobbed and permajammed only to hear "it's ok because you're in CVA, all they do is blob" and it is people like yourself and garmon who's videos make me jump in the next ship and try again, over and over.

But now it is a payed for, "elite club" once more and only those of us willing to fork over the cash may continue to learn about solo pvp or "copycat setups" from those who wanted to see it flourish.

I do apolagise for the aggressive stance I may have taken in any earlier comments and if this made me seem ungreatful, but this is the eve-online forum and there is no room to sugarcoat anything. If I think something is wrong I will say it and then defend my opinion, I would be a coward if i didn't.



I'm not saying that video makers shouldn't be grateful to their fans. I am saying that video makers don't "owe" the community and they have the right to do with their own work what they will. Whether it be distributing it for free or charging for it. It is then the viewers choice whether to pay for it or not watch it. But these guys should not be demonised for their choice to try to turn their hard work into something profitable, especially as, as far as I am aware, they have monetised this service primarily so that they can do it full time. Would you do volunteer work full time?

The fact that eveiseasy has now been made an exclusive club only for paying members is disappointing to me as well. But they are far from the only people who are teaching solo pvp, and their way is not even necessarily the right way. A lot of the information in the eveiseasy videos are not fact, but are simply the video makers way of playing and seeing the game. There really is no right or wrong in EVE, and the fittings and tactics that are promoted in the eveiseasy videos are not a science.

So for those who want to pay to join eveiseasy, they will be able to learn these certain styles and ways of playing the game in an easily digestable format. But for the rest of us there are all the other video makers who release pvp vids, there is Kil2 and Kovorix's podcast, there is Sard Caid's Twitch TV Stream, there are blogs and guides and all the wealth of information of the rest of the eve pvp community, and above all there is personal experience, which will always remain the greatest and most sure way of learning solo pvp.

Latest PVP Video: Perseverance

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Forum Harlot
Doomheim
#222 - 2012-04-15 05:48:07 UTC
Fon Revedhort wrote:

You missed the word "mutual". Any artist is pleased to see the full hall, that's right, but the people in turn should show some respect and behave accordingly. I simply can not imagine, say, Freddie Mercury singing in his usual manner in front of emotionless robots.


wat.

Some guy making EVE videos is not Freddie Mercury, and art? Really? He is, in fact, some guy making EVE videos.

I personally don't have a problem with anyone charging money for the videos, but you'd have to be stark raving mad to pay close to double that of EVE's subscription fee (10.95 if you pay for 12 months at a time) for PVP advice or to think that's a reasonable price, when you can have two additional EVE accounts for approximately the same monthly cost (Falcon alt, anyone?). It's just dumbfounding that apparently none of them pointed out just how disproportional that price is.
Lex Fasces
New Eden Renegades
#223 - 2012-04-15 08:29:13 UTC
Hehe I too would pay a fiver a month but no more. thing is, if this succeeds then they make money, if it flops they call it a troll. Tbh garmons trolling history combined with the cheesy website really makes it reluctant for me to hand over money
Elenor Kharne
ergo optima
#224 - 2012-04-15 09:14:11 UTC
Laktos wrote:

I'm not saying that video makers shouldn't be grateful to their fans. I am saying that video makers don't "owe" the community and they have the right to do with their own work what they will. Whether it be distributing it for free or charging for it. It is then the viewers choice whether to pay for it or not watch it. But these guys should not be demonised for their choice to try to turn their hard work into something profitable, especially as, as far as I am aware, they have monetised this service primarily so that they can do it full time. Would you do volunteer work full time?

The fact that eveiseasy has now been made an exclusive club only for paying members is disappointing to me as well. But they are far from the only people who are teaching solo pvp, and their way is not even necessarily the right way. A lot of the information in the eveiseasy videos are not fact, but are simply the video makers way of playing and seeing the game. There really is no right or wrong in EVE, and the fittings and tactics that are promoted in the eveiseasy videos are not a science.

So for those who want to pay to join eveiseasy, they will be able to learn these certain styles and ways of playing the game in an easily digestable format. But for the rest of us there are all the other video makers who release pvp vids, there is Kil2 and Kovorix's podcast, there is Sard Caid's Twitch TV Stream, there are blogs and guides and all the wealth of information of the rest of the eve pvp community, and above all there is personal experience, which will always remain the greatest and most sure way of learning solo pvp.


Pretty much this.

btw I am perfectly fine with your price. You want to keep this things exclusive, that's a way to make it that way.
My disappointment was limited to the way it has been advertised since recently. You went from a bunch of players who are one of the best in eve and wanting to spread your knowledge, to some who use stuff they teach in marketing classes to the extremes. Which made it appear to me like the sole purpose of this is to make money. And with your reputation I thought that you weren't desperate to do this that way.

Anyway, you are free to do anything. That thread is interesting how others think about making videos.
CCP Guard
C C P
C C P Alliance
#225 - 2012-04-15 10:11:09 UTC
Selling anything that uses the EVE Intellectual Property for real life cash is against the rules. EVE related services can, however, be sold for ISK. I'm not going to comment on whether that will always be the case, but it is today. Just letting everyone know.

CCP Guard | EVE Community Developer | @CCP_Guard
james1122
Perimeter Trade and Distribution Inc
#226 - 2012-04-15 10:22:12 UTC
CCP Guard wrote:
Selling anything that uses the EVE Intellectual Property for real life cash is against the rules. EVE related services can, however, be sold for ISK. I'm not going to comment on whether that will always be the case, but it is today. Just letting everyone know.



Now this is interesting

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