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[UPDATE 07/04] NEW VIDEO ADDED - EVEisEASY.com; a website dedicated to instructional pvp videos!

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Kheo Sen
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#181 - 2012-04-14 05:44:18 UTC
zaqq wrote:


Completely lost faith in you guys :( makes me a sad panda to admit it, which is a real shame because the videos so far have been very epic (apart from some audio issues) and I have supported them as much as I could.

I look forward to watching the newer videos that get ripped from the website and thrown up on youtube for free etc, I know they are gonna be pro :)

peace o/



this
Maximille Biagge
Yamagata Syndicate
Shadow Cartel
#182 - 2012-04-14 07:16:54 UTC
lol, just lol.

I seriously thought what you guys were doing was great, giving back to the community that made you "famous" and trying to help those out there who want to learn to be good at solo/small gang pvp.

But alas its just a big money making scheme by the "great garmon" and his buddies, trying to milk your fanbase for all it's worth.

Seriously 20 dollars a month for pvp videos and commentaries? The same stuff that so many other eve players share with the community for free every week.

let me guess, the next garmonation will only be available on blue-ray from amazon?

pathetic.

Dracnys
#183 - 2012-04-14 07:30:04 UTC
First: Your instructional videos were by far the best one's I've seen. Thank you for making them, I've learned a lot.

However, your price is way to high and there's no way to know if you website is legit and that you will continue to do more content. Is it even allowed to sell these videos? Because, well, CCP owns the copyright to everything in EVE.

From a business perspective I would advise you that your target group of elite PVP people in EVE is too small and not ready to pay real money. Especially not more than their EVE subscription. This just can't sustain multiple "players" working full time. Very few people are ready to pay for computer game videos. And despite the good quality these videos stay what they are: People playing computer games with commentary.

I would pay ISK, probably lots of it, but no RL money.
Raziel Saston
Deviance Cartel
#184 - 2012-04-14 08:11:29 UTC
Dracnys wrote:
First: Your instructional videos were by far the best one's I've seen. Thank you for making them, I've learned a lot.

However, your price is way to high and there's no way to know if you website is legit and that you will continue to do more content. Is it even allowed to sell these videos? Because, well, CCP owns the copyright to everything in EVE.

From a business perspective I would advise you that your target group of elite PVP people in EVE is too small and not ready to pay real money. Especially not more than their EVE subscription. This just can't sustain multiple "players" working full time. Very few people are ready to pay for computer game videos. And despite the good quality these videos stay what they are: People playing computer games with commentary.

I would pay ISK, probably lots of it, but no RL money.


Mostly this.

A few friends saw this coming but I refused to believe it. Now that it's here I still can't believe it.

Waaaay over priced

Website looks poor

The videos themselves are by far the best i have seen and I am sure there is plenty of Rodneys out there that will part with their cash. GL with that.

There is soo many free apps and videos etc out there. Seems like you guys lost the whole spirit of eve thing. Sad

Murphy asked Paddy "What ringtone have you got ?" Paddy said, "I've never really looked, but probably light brown."

Aldap
Fearless Tiger.
#185 - 2012-04-14 08:49:35 UTC  |  Edited by: Aldap
You guys are overreacting.

First I'll say, I just don't have the money. Simply my rl situation doesn't allow me to spend much time online playing, and even paying the subscription sometimes seems at risk these days. So I won't be joining EiE... However, if I had the time and the money I'd join without second thought.

Why? Because its obvious that people can get just about the best PvP experience and improve way faster simply any other form of 'teacher' that Eve has to offer.... Do you know how many people actually pay rl cash for Eve stuff every day?

Subscription could be cheaper, but its still a legitimate and really great offer imo.

About 9 years I started playing a board game called 'Go', its very deep and complex.
After a couple of years playing I kinda got stuck on and my game just wouldn't take the next level leap without help. I was breaking on the cliff for a full year trying to make that next step into "dan" level, without success.
I then took a couple months of tutoring lessons from a pro, paying 20$ per session. I cannot even explain how incredibly it impacted my game, moved into the lower dan levels smoothly with ease and even enjoyed playing more than ever before.

'Go' was and still is just a hobby for me, and so is Eve.
If you love your hobby enough, you'll go beyond those childish reaction you just blurt out, and realize that a lot of players are going to deeply benefit from EiE and become much better pilots.

I see nothing but positive things coming out of this. More pilots knowing their solo stuff. More pilots being able to face blobs without fear. More 'out of the box' thinking, just more real Eve rather than boring ECM and Blobs.

Goodluck to everyone who are taking this next step!

An interesting article about Solo PvP: http://themittani.com/features/new-eden-solo

Beat General
Doomheim
#186 - 2012-04-14 08:49:57 UTC  |  Edited by: Beat General
costs alot...

I think that abbadon21 guy is corrupting the minds of garmon/will/duncan.

All that guy is, is a greedy money muncher. You can tell by his disgusting voice. Lol
Raziel Saston
Deviance Cartel
#187 - 2012-04-14 09:10:41 UTC
Aldap wrote:


If you love your hobby enough, you'll go beyond those childish reaction you just blurt out, and realize that a lot of players are going to deeply benefit from EiE


Hardly childish reactions. They are asking members to pay around the same amount as the actual eve subsciption.

I think we all know who is going to deeply benefit from EIE

Murphy asked Paddy "What ringtone have you got ?" Paddy said, "I've never really looked, but probably light brown."

Syss7
SniggWaffe
Pandemic Horde
#188 - 2012-04-14 09:27:05 UTC
EvE is Easy, err... Expensive
Ozzie Asrail
Exploited
#189 - 2012-04-14 09:40:29 UTC
Looks good guys, hope it goes well for you. The vids have been awesome so far so i can only assume the one in the member area will be first class Twisted

Thomas Kreshant
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#190 - 2012-04-14 10:24:28 UTC
Not for me I'm afraid at that price point but good luck Garmon, Will and Duncan with the enterprise.
Ishanmae
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#191 - 2012-04-14 11:10:42 UTC
Not for me either...

I can't justify paying about as much as I pay for two subs (with yearly payments, I'm below 22$/month for both accounts).

I could easily plex them if I had the time to play more, but as it is, I would have a hard time justifying the expense for the EVE accounts already if money was tighter.

At a lower price, I would have definitely gone for it...
Klown Walk
Black Rebel Rifter Club
The Devil's Tattoo
#192 - 2012-04-14 11:21:36 UTC
No wonder why you kept dodging the price before. Good luck but it´s to much for me as a casual pvper.
shortattenionsp
Doomheim
#193 - 2012-04-14 11:44:35 UTC
Great videos so far guys and I really like what you're trying to do but I think you have really gotten your pricing wrong. I think pricing lower (under $10 a month) would give you waay more subs and you'd make more money that way. $19 is too close to $20 and most people just won't be able to justify paying that to themselves. - I'm sure you'll get some for sure, I just think it'd work out better for you with a lower price point.

Also the website really could look better, it looks fairly amateurish at the moment. There's plenty of decent simple eve websites out there, like SOMER blinks's site for example, http://cogdev.net/blink/. I just looked in the Eve fansites list and found a couple of randoms that look ok: http://extra-vehicular.blogspot.co.uk/ , http://www.saganexplorations.net/ Spend some of that money on a web designer or even hire someone for isk ;)

Just a little feedback anyway, peace
Bruno Bourque
#194 - 2012-04-14 12:08:47 UTC
Quote:
10. You may not market, sell, advertise, promote, solicit or otherwise arrange for the exchange or transfer of items in the game or other game services unless it is for in-game sales of in-game services or items.

http://community.eveonline.com/pnp/terms.asp


Can someone from CCP confirm if this is allowed, since people cant actually sell things like phone apps ect.
Wyvern Eden
Eden's Spaceship Enterprises
#195 - 2012-04-14 14:21:46 UTC  |  Edited by: Wyvern Eden
The videos were very very good, and I was really looking forward to the new site and members area.
However, asking almost 20$ per month is just INSANELY overpriced. In my opinion asking any RL currency for this is just wrong.
It would have been a fair price if it would be like 500m isk for access in my opinion. There are many people not spending a dime on EVE, just playing with PLEX. Those people certainly won't pay any RL currency for a guide I guess, so you would be missing out on a lot of customers!
General Escobar
Higher Than Everest
#196 - 2012-04-14 14:26:40 UTC
the videos aren`t bad but the sub is just way too expensive!
Naomi Wildfire
Sonnenlegion
Shadow Cartel
#197 - 2012-04-14 14:36:08 UTC  |  Edited by: Naomi Wildfire
Achievement unlocked: Mastertroll

ISD BH Newmind > Jingle bells, Tuxford smells, Falcon laid an egg =D

Elenor Kharne
ergo optima
#198 - 2012-04-14 14:47:31 UTC  |  Edited by: Elenor Kharne
I really liked your awesome videos so far and it felt like you were just any other EVE gamer simply with more experience, skill and some creativity how to win fights than any other. And suddenly. That voice (modulated or not) talking about elite pro wtf pvp and the last announcement video whose related videos were only make-up styling videos at first, which made me feel that those "only positive comments" might not come from actual players.

My opinion is that you would have been better not using all those high profile marketing tricks (pron voice, promise everything under the sun, make the clients feel exclusive/elite for paying you ...) which you can see in most scams.

A smooth transition would have been better. your site is just starting and you cant expect players to pay for it such high prices without having seen much of your service. I kinda like your service and I think there are players willing to pay for this.

I agree with Aldap in his points although I am not in a position nor willing to spend so money for that stuff. You can find a lot of good thoughts on good tactics/fittings if you invest some time in searching them (eg. blogs of good pvpers, fellow gamers [discussions with them], videos), for free.

Your vision of how your site might turn out is great and sounds promising, too. I really wish you the best for your project.
Lex Fasces
New Eden Renegades
#199 - 2012-04-14 15:45:18 UTC
Not patients.g 5 dollars per video and certainly not for the forum that is most likely empty and needs populating. saw.thus coming and would gladly pay a fiver a month or whatever but more than eve sub is a bit too egotistical for me lol
Sverige Pahis
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#200 - 2012-04-14 15:53:10 UTC
hehe