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As I look at my -10 billion ISK wallet and shortly later my banned accounts I'm only a little bit surprised that it happened. I want to start off by saying I will never buy third party ISK again. It's just like throwing your money down the drain once you get caught -- and you probably will these days.

I know this will cause a great deal of many people to post negative comments and I deserve them. My kind are a plague in Eve and overall it's good that I was banned and my ISK taken out of the Eve economy. So yes, I know I deserve to die, I'm a scumbag, and will always be one, etc. But let me try to make up for what I did by exposing what I did and telling other RMTers who think their method is perfect that it will fail.

First why did I buy ISK via the #1 leading RMT seller (against EULA) instead of just buying a PLEX from CCP (EULA friendly)?

Because I've been doing this for a long time without an issues... I was arrogant and a capitalist. I could take the same amount of money that would be required through legal means and end up with twice the amount of ISK. I also hadn't been caught yet. I'm still a bit perplexed how I was caught, probably on mere suspicion alone. Maybe not.

But I'm done with buying ISK, as I now see CCP is very determined to stamp this out. I suppose I'll be a good person and work on scamming people for ISK instead of buying PLEX (just kidding - maybe).

tldr; I'm a bad man and if your a bad man you're going to lose everything.

HOW ISK SELLERS SELL ISK

Normally it works like this:

Option A) ISK selling company uses bots to farm the drone regions. I've noticed that they always went for Plush Compound and Glossy Compound. (Market tip here -- check what these refine into and realize that they suppressed certain mineral prices)

and/or

Option B) ISK selling company pays other players for ISK at a rate lower than they sell it. I don't know the details on how it exactly works as I've never sold ISK. But I believe the contracted players use minerals or other high value items and transfer them to the ISK selling company.

(Also scamming, hacking accounts, etc so it's claimed -- although I don't think that's truly legitimate claim as it would be their supplies very unstable and they're always stable...)

1) The ISK selling company then sets up a front corporation (the do this on a DAILY basis) with a random boring corp name made by a day old character.

2) Some how they transfer drone alloys, minerals, or moon products to the front corporation.

3) RMTer sends PayPal or Credit Card payment to bad RMT website.

4) The RMTer then is told to apply to join Random Boring Corp Name and to dock at Jita 4-4

5) The ISK selling bad people then purchases X amount of X item as a corporation market order.

6) Once the order is filled they open Deliveries then go to Deliver to Member and select the RMTers name.

7) The RMTer then sells the items at Market Value and quits the corp.

There's no wallet log of the RMTer getting the items so it's believed to be the safest way to do it, also their in the same corp so the activity is considered the same.

My specific process would be the above but with these changes for when I bought it:

1) I would create an alt say BobLikesYou33

2) After I received the items from the ISK sellers and sold them at Market I would have a few billion ISK in my wallet

3) I would then purchase high value items with low volume in mass (level 5 implants, PLEXes, etc)

4) I would then randomly give away whatever I had left to scammers in Jita local (to make more links and hopefully hide my true account and maybe get some dirty scammers banned if I got caught trololol)

5) I would buy a shuttle, put a few BILLION of stuff in it.

6) I would login to my main (on a different account) and go to a safe spot in Jita in a pod.

7) I would fleet up with my RMTer alt then have the shuttle with billions of RMT warp to my main.

8) Then the RMTer would leave the shuttle, leave fleet, and my main would board the shuttle and dock it.

9) I would terminate the BobLikesYou33 character

10) I would then wait till it was flushed and make a new BobLikesYou33 character

This was so (or so I thought) there would be no paper trail or if there was CCP wouldn't look hard enough for it... maybe it would overwrite something in the database. At one point I even had a corporation dedicating to buying ISK with 5 separate accounts to shuffle things through.

WHAT ITEMS DO ISK SELLERS USE?

Glossy Compound, Plush Compound was the old favorite, recently they've been changing that as CCP has been banning more people I assume (or maybe in prep for the drone region nerf).

New items: Tritanium, Moon Products, Salvage Products.

I hope this information some how helps CCP fight this and I hope it discourages RMTers from making the same mistake I did... Repent or faceth the ban wave from doom.

All that effort put into breaking the rules without getting caught could have been put into some trading and had a similar result without the banning/wallet death.

Especially all that creativity.

Well buying PLEX/RMT are all different forms of 'cheating', the difference is one is controlled by CCP and the other one is not.

Imho spending real money on isk is a bit pathetic, not to mention it takes the fun out of the game. If you cant earn enough money the 'normal' way, then perhaps you're not smart enough for this game.

It's mainly a warning to other players that have broke the rules in the past. The point is buying ISK from anyone but CCP isn't safe anymore, period.

Why am I explaining the process in detail? Good question. CCP did not make me post this, I'm on a different account as my others have been banned. And honestly I'll probably have all my accounts banned and receive a harsher punishment for posting here.

It just felt like the right thing to do. I really doubt I'll be able to ever afford 10+ billion in legit PLEX so even if I was some how unbanned it wouldn't matter.

Save your account, real life money, and Eve wallet -- don't be like me.

This reminds me of my first job working in a restaurant where guys would spend more time and effort shirking work than actually working; these were the dumbest people I have yet to meet so far in my life.

another reson morphite is going up bigtime!!!

Thank you for posting this, it was an interesting read.

i know several people who made good isk by probing out the RMT drop points in jita and stealing their ships/cans from under their noses :P

ISK is so stupidly easy to make in eve that i find it amazing people still buy it for cash.
ultimate laziness i suppose...

Relying on the whims of the loot drop dice roll is probably not a smart method of covertly transferring assets.

That's quite interesting indeed. Thanks for the detailed description. You learn something new every day.