Ships & Modules

EFT is telling me with all skills at 5 this thing is over 2 pg. might be wrong

Could be, but there are other fits which do go up to around 25k eHP. Technically is it enough to withstand a gank by a destroyer. It does however destroy the diversity of fits when all slots of a ship need to be used to fit a tank. Usually only the mid- or the high-slots should be needed. This is not the case any more.

I hate the idea of mining and industrial ships needing to be the designated victims in a PvP game and I welcome those Hulk threads. I hate sitting in a mining ship and I only do it once every two weeks with friends in a fleet.

I have yet to see a good argument on how an increased tank, more speed or agility on all mining ships affects the game's balance.

I agree. The Industrials should not be made more tanky. There is a payoff; without the gankers in high sec, mining becomes a risk free endevaur. If the miners want a fairly risk free environment, they should do it in a rokh or a dominix, at least this way they are likely to get into a battleship at some point and perhaps try some level of combat.

if you mined in a group, in an area of space where you had good intel, you wouldn't have these issues.

why are we still using hulks at all when only full fail tank fit hulk can out mine a huge tanked rokh a "combat" battleship (plus the rokh is insurable )

because a jetcan is so hard? i still use it over the orca hold

Since PVP knowledge alludes most miners (and greed seems to permeate all of you more then sensibility) I have elected to post a decent "Hulk Fit" for this age of EVE's evolution. ATM, do to hulkageddon, Minmatar's stupid high alpha and a blaster buff, everything is dieing in record numbers. Empire is no longer just "Not Safe" there are gankers online 23/7 in every market hub, and they will scan every ship and every shuttle as they fly by. If your mining in a hulk, unless you are in a deep dark system somewhere... some ganker is pretty much on his way.


So... Here is what a PVP guy has learned about mining in a fairly short amount of time.




The Tanked Hulk (that you should all be flying now)
(Requires a Engineering EG-604 implant)



Stats: 33,776 EHP
Resists: 71.7 % EM, 85.8% Thermal, 83% Kinetic, 84% Explosive.


[Hulk, Tanked]
Damage Control II
Micro Auxiliary Power Core II

Thermic Dissipation Amplifier II
Medium F-S9 Regolith Shield Induction
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II

Modulated Strip Miner II, Veldspar Mining Crystal I
Modulated Strip Miner II, Veldspar Mining Crystal I
Modulated Strip Miner II, Veldspar Mining Crystal I

Medium Core Defense Field Extender I
Medium Core Defense Field Extender I




Commentary On Build

The resists in the Kin, Therm and explosive range is key. +80% puts this build's resistance right up there with a mission drake, only with 1/2 the EHP. That means ALLOT when you're taking volley hits before concord shows up. Trust me. Your yield is 1,695with Orca bonus, and 1,209 without. So minus two mining laser upgrades, you are losing only 200 per cycle without an orca, and 300 with one. Now if you do the math, yes that sucks a little bit... but the ISK you and your corporation saves in Hulks will equal itself out in the end.




As it turns out, you can do the same thing with Tech I Industrial ships as well. This version is an Iteron Mark V. Its resists are 75.9, 77.2, 72.8, 77.4. It has 26,724 EHP and a passive regen of 114

It can also still carry 15,545 M3's which is more then enough for most practical purposes.



[Iteron Mark V, Tank]
Damage Control II
Micro Auxiliary Power Core II
Expanded Cargohold II
Expanded Cargohold II
Expanded Cargohold II

Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
EM Ward Field II
Thermic Dissipation Amplifier II
Large F-S9 Regolith Shield Induction

[empty high slot]
[empty high slot]

Medium Core Defense Field Extender I
Medium Core Defense Field Extender I
Medium Core Defense Field Extender I





Truth be told, ganking in Empire may be getting out of hand when Jita becomes a practical no fly zone for freighters, industrials and ore ships. But that does not mean that you have to fly glass ships and except being fodder for the masses. There is a big diff between two idiots tearing you down with little not no effort while you're on auto pilot, and it requiring a small, coordinated fleet to do the same thing. You have been notified.

4 Catalysts will kill it in most cases.

Losing around 10% yield is for most carebear miners unacceptable. Seriously, they are the worst min-maxers possible. Why do you think mining implants are among the most expensive implants in the game?