Warfare & Tactics

You realize that the markets are entirely player-determined, so if you're mining or reprocessing for minerals, or even selling mission loot, you're engaging in PvP, right?

Just because the points in play are isk and time spent instead of HP and ammo doesn't make it any less pvp. "Legit" trading strategies like price-fixing, undercutting, intentional underproduction and sitting on reserves, and so on are all part of the same overall player conflict as protection rackets, sabotage, theft, and general crime sprees that involve actually blowing things up.

There is literally only one thing in the game that isn't tied to PvP with one degree of separation or less, and that's ship spinning. HTFU and deal with it.

You are right o/ a war target.

And with the exception of running missions you are correct

Btw thanks for the tower.

doesn't bother me at all.

Yeah, my killboard says otherwise.

Did you know most of the kills since I resubbed are in lo sec?
Did you know I live in lo sec?

Here was you seem to be missing. We pvpers have friends that are carebears too. And some times care bears upset eachother then they turn to us there pvp friends to exact revenge. You seem to think that is some how unfair. Instead of crying try getting to know people that do other things. Most pvpers I know would risk billions of isk worth of ships to prtect there industrial friends it how we get our ships cheaper then market and how they get pvp skills when threatened. Massive mutiplayer not single player.

And I now have a miner I must hunt down this week and try and kill.

I must say you are the nicest WT's ever I mean giveing me a large tower after useing that big bad moros on my poor defenseless mega. You guys have class i don't care what those other low sec people say.

It bothers people because you're playing YOUR game, and not theirs.

tl;dr I know you are a fast poster and a vocal one too, but at least have the courtesy to check your facts before you claim something to be true and build your chain of arguments on top of it. CONCORD was there from the beginning, it was not added due to what you claim was a forum whine and it was constantly updated to keep highsec PVP at bay from at least the 3rd patch onwards, being less than 30 days from the game's conception in 2003.



For the sake of arguing with a forum warrior, not in the interest of pvp vs. pve and meant in the nicest sense really, I dare to question the validity your argument.

First: you were not there, your character was created in March 2011 and yet you use historical events and patchnotes in a way that suggest your were there at the time they were written.

Second: If you had been there and checked your records, you should not have ommitted that CONCORD as such was part of the storyline and eve from at least 2001 as seen in the Chronicle's picture timestamp here, two full years prior to what you have stated being their conception.

Third: Now you may state that you in fact were present at that time and have the knowledge of that time too on a different character and/or account but chose not to use this original character but instead this 03/2011 newcomer of yours to educate us on eve history; then your argument would of course be that the patchnotes obviously enforce your claim.

Fourth: The first mention of a CONCORD change was in the EVE patch to v.1054, which as you of course know was issued as early as the 30th of May 2003, being the third EVE patch at all, less than one month after the game's release and way before it's first expansion. Out of personal experience I will contest you in that fact that "whining on the forums" as you claim it to be was not present at that time and as the patch notes will tell you, this constructive criticism was not to conceive CONCORD but to change it.

PS: this is in no way a favour for PVE or PVP, merely a call for truth in arguments.

OP,

I guess your terms "PVE" and "PVP" are relevant in some other games, in EVE they don't exist. There is only one server, with "PVP rules" if you want to keep using that game lingo.

This reminds me of a Southpark episode about toilet seats.

Women are nagging that men should put the toilet seat down and men are nagging that women could just as well put it down themselves.

Why don't women put the toilet seat up for me huh?