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T2 invention idea: Named T2 items.
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Duvida
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#1 - 2012-04-10 20:14:26 UTC
I've seen the arguments for and against keeping T2 BPOs.

How about this?

Keep the T2 BPOs, and let T2 BPC invention give a chance for, in addition to regular T2 BPCs, a T2 BPC for a named item of meta 6 to 9?

That'd sweeten invention some, and probably defuse some resentment against T2 BPOs, perhaps opening the door for ways to acquire more of them in order to 'spread the opportunity for wealth'.

I'm sure Morphite sellers would see a boon as a result of this kind of thing.

And increased complexity? This is EVE, we love that kind of thing. Smile
Omnathious Deninard
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#2 - 2012-04-10 20:43:46 UTC
Why also? how about instead. would it for instance t2 heavy missile launcher might get a caldari navy heavy missile launcher ii, all the same stats as a regular one but it required heavy missile spec, and therefore gets the bonuses from it?

If you don't follow the rules, neither will I.
Kalipoli
State War Academy
Caldari State
#3 - 2012-04-10 20:49:30 UTC
Everything is fine the way it is. The system isn't broken. Invention works and is a pretty damn good source of income.

T2BPO's - You can no longer get them, the number of them in game are finite and anytime someone takes one out of a station they risk losing it and it would be gone forever. T2 BPO's are not a problem.

"Spread the opportunity for wealth" put simply, $&%# you. No im serious this is EVE everything in this game in one way or another is an opportunity for wealth.

Invention is pretty sweet already, if you have resentment towards T2 BPO's then you don't do enough invention and or aren't an industrialist or just have issues in your ability to cope with jealousy.
Haulie Berry
#4 - 2012-04-10 20:51:10 UTC
Tanking every other module market in the game is not a good solution to the whinging envy of a handful of bad players.
Duvida
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#5 - 2012-04-10 22:25:30 UTC
Omnathious Deninard wrote:
Why also? how about instead. would it for instance t2 heavy missile launcher might get a caldari navy heavy missile launcher ii, all the same stats as a regular one but it required heavy missile spec, and therefore gets the bonuses from it?



I think I worded it ambiguously, sorry. That it would produce a named T2 BPC instead of a meta 5 one is what I meant, but ty. It'd have detail to be worked out for sure. Maybe have an item that worked like the exploration items that change the number of runs in a T2 BPC, except that it gave a chance for a Meta 6-9 BPC that required the T2 skill to operate the item.
Omnathious Deninard
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#6 - 2012-04-10 22:43:37 UTC
Duvida wrote:
Omnathious Deninard wrote:
Why also? how about instead. would it for instance t2 heavy missile launcher might get a caldari navy heavy missile launcher ii, all the same stats as a regular one but it required heavy missile spec, and therefore gets the bonuses from it?



I think I worded it ambiguously, sorry. That it would produce a named T2 BPC instead of a meta 5 one is what I meant, but ty. It'd have detail to be worked out for sure. Maybe have an item that worked like the exploration items that change the number of runs in a T2 BPC, except that it gave a chance for a Meta 6-9 BPC that required the T2 skill to operate the item.

It would be nice if you had to use faction T1 bpcs bought from the lp store, but this could/would only work with weapons because most other items are much better as faction than t2.

If you don't follow the rules, neither will I.
Drew Solaert
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#7 - 2012-04-10 23:58:09 UTC
Power creeping is something to be avoided, not suggested.

I lied :o
Brewlar Kuvakei
Adeptio Gloriae
#8 - 2012-04-11 10:50:49 UTC  |  Edited by: Brewlar Kuvakei
OP , You have to understand that T2BPO owners will come rallying to defend the unfair adavantage that they have. There is no way in hell that they want the silver spoon that is BPOT2 taken off them. They've had these things for years making zero effort isk so they're going to be pretty sad when you try take it off them and ask them to grind isk for a living.
RaTTuS
BIG
#9 - 2012-04-11 10:55:59 UTC
a couple of years ago there where t2 named versions on sisi
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allowing the use of high level me originals to make better me inventions would only make empire ME slots even worse.

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Omnathious Deninard
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#10 - 2012-04-11 13:13:02 UTC
Brewlar Kuvakei wrote:
OP , You have to understand that T2BPO owners will come rallying to defend the unfair adavantage that they have. There is no way in hell that they want the silver spoon that is BPOT2 taken off them. They've had these things for years making zero effort isk so they're going to be pretty sad when you try take it off them and ask them to grind isk for a living.

This thread is about a new style of invention, not t2 bpos, why u all butt hurt about them, i do fine without.

If you don't follow the rules, neither will I.
Brewlar Kuvakei
Adeptio Gloriae
#11 - 2012-04-12 15:43:41 UTC
Omnathious Deninard wrote:
Brewlar Kuvakei wrote:
OP , You have to understand that T2BPO owners will come rallying to defend the unfair adavantage that they have. There is no way in hell that they want the silver spoon that is BPOT2 taken off them. They've had these things for years making zero effort isk so they're going to be pretty sad when you try take it off them and ask them to grind isk for a living.

This thread is about a new style of invention, not t2 bpos, why u all butt hurt about them, i do fine without.



Fore sure, then let invention far out pace T2BPO and just make them redundant or worthless aleady. Multiply the runs of succesfull invention by 100 that would be a nice idea to lower the cost of invention.
Haulie Berry
#12 - 2012-04-12 16:09:50 UTC  |  Edited by: Haulie Berry
Brewlar Kuvakei wrote:
Omnathious Deninard wrote:
Brewlar Kuvakei wrote:
OP , You have to understand that T2BPO owners will come rallying to defend the unfair adavantage that they have. There is no way in hell that they want the silver spoon that is BPOT2 taken off them. They've had these things for years making zero effort isk so they're going to be pretty sad when you try take it off them and ask them to grind isk for a living.

This thread is about a new style of invention, not t2 bpos, why u all butt hurt about them, i do fine without.



Fore sure, then let invention far out pace T2BPO and just make them redundant or worthless aleady. Multiply the runs of succesfull invention by 100 that would be a nice idea to lower the cost of invention.


The net effect of that would be that the T2 production capacity would further outstrip the demand than it already does, which would further depress prices. It would also depress the datacore and decryptor markets.

On top of that, there would be plenty of stupid people (you would probably be one of them) who would build their 100 run blueprints at full-tilt despite the fact that the market is already saturated. This would yield an increase in demand for moongoo and an oversupply of T2 products. So, goodbye, margins, we hardly knew ye. Eventually, once the stupids ran out of money, it would settle back to roughly where it is now (though datacores would likely remain ******), as the demand for T2 items will have remained static and the production capacity today already exceeds that demand.

So, on the whole, it's not the worst idea you've ever had, but only by virtue of the fact that the competition for that lofty position is fierce.
Duvida
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#13 - 2012-04-13 04:24:35 UTC
We're going to be in a pretty new place when all is said and done with Escalation. But I'd rather buff those that don't hold an advantage, than nerf those that do. It's power creep, but it can be measured out so that it's not insane.

Part of the motivation for a chance for meta 6-9 in invention, however, would be to increase the chance for something less predictable*. But we could stand to have some more empire slots available so that each industry job isn't painful.

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*and by less predictable, I'm all for 'strange effects' rather than a meta level increase. You've forged a +2 sword/module of buffing lazers 2, but this one has the strange side effect of randomly opening a wormhole to a random CCP Dev's desk.
Haulie Berry
#14 - 2012-04-13 14:25:33 UTC
There are already existing sources for >5 meta level items, though. You're not just suggesting a buff to invention, you're simultaneously suggesting a nerf to missioning, ratting, exploration, etc.
Omnathious Deninard
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#15 - 2012-04-13 14:47:13 UTC
Haulie Berry wrote:
There are already existing sources for >5 meta level items, though. You're not just suggesting a buff to invention, you're simultaneously suggesting a nerf to missioning, ratting, exploration, etc.

The probability of getting a special T2 faction item, to keep it balanced/fair, would have to be around 0.005% of invention. Making it rare, and thus desirable.

If you don't follow the rules, neither will I.
Tobiaz
Spacerats
#16 - 2012-04-13 20:22:34 UTC
Less powercreep please.

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