Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Try to get 2 to 4 Iteron V than.

I agree. The Orca is great, but the 50Km3 ore bay is dedicated to ore, so it's not really 180Km3 total of generic hauling, unless you happen to hauling ore ...

T2 Battlecruisers have two variants: One is "field command" which is mainly combat and better boosting, but only one command link. The other is "fleet command" with the ability to field 3 command links at once.
Look it up.

Really? This thread ultimately has nothing to do with the Orca or it not being "good enough". The Orca does an excellent job for what it's designed for and functions very well in a hauler role to boot.

These lame excuses and generic "you don't need that" statements however, have become over the years quite repetitive and boring. Create a courier contract - problem solved. All those "billions worth of stuff" can now be moved using that "other" hauler.

This isn't all about hauling billions using a non-scannable Corp hangar, it is about having an Industrial ship with no jump capabilities, a price tag around that of an Orca and a hold capacity on par with JFs.

The Industrial ship size progression is currently like this:

Industrial (T1) --> Transports (T2) --> "Orca" --> Freighter --> Jump Freighter

It should progress more like this:

Industrial (T1) --> Transports (T2) --> "Mini-Freighter" --> Freighter --> Jump Freighter

An Industrial pilot should not have to train a completely unrelevant skill (mining leadership) set just to fly a ship that has a 'secure hold', however, if you want the 'secure hold' space, then by all means, train for an Orca.

/sarcastic troll on
I'd be willing to bet that if this thread were about that shiny new combat ship that can gank those nasty industrialist before CONCORD arrives or pop that station hugger before they can redock, people would be all over the forums to support it. (I think you get the idea).
/sarcastic troll off

+1 to the Mini-Freighter idea - though it should be in Features & Ideas

People need to stop bringing up Orca as a hauler. It is not a hauler and it was never meant/designed to be. Yes, people found a way to use it as a hauler but that does not make it a hauler.

There is definitely gap between Industrials and Freighters and it would be great if there was a new ship that could close that gap.

Personally I would like to see a mini-freighter that has;

200k-250k cargo space
Faster and more agile
More expensive than a freighter
More resillient to ganks
Make it a T2 or T3, i dont care

Yes, you are certainly correct that what I have written sounds like a JF, unfortunately it is not.

When i said faster and more agile I meant better than a JF.

A JF with all skills level V aligns around 26 sec if I am right and about 40 sec with minimal skills. This is still too much.

A mini-freighter should align about 10-15 sec with all skills level V and 20-30 with minimal skills.

Also, JF still travels with 0.8 au/s which is extremly slow, a mini-freighter I was talking about should travel with 3 au/s or make this skill based like with minimal skill it travels with 1 au/s and with max skills 3 au/s.


Lasty, the more resilient could be made with modules and not with raw HP similar to Orca.

Now that we're 'officially' in the F&I area:

+1 to:
> More Agile than a JF, Less agile than a Hauler or Transport
> Faster warp speed. 3 au/s is perfect, though I could live with 2.7 (about the same as an Orca)
> Modules - 0 H, 2 M, 3 L, no cargo expanders allowed, but maybe more tank / dc .. ? balance comes into play here of course.
> Should cost LESS than a freighter, otherwise, an Orca will just be used - isn't that what we're trying to get around here?
> If we're making this a step between haulers/transports & freighters, then maybe require Transport Ships 4 or 5 - and revamp the Transport skill as well?

I can agree to that, like I said before it can be T2 or T3, it does not matter.




It should definitely cost MORE or there won't be much point to Freighters and Jump Freighters.

Less.
The point of Freighters is they can carry a **** load.
The point of Jump freighters is that they can jump.

the point of the mini freighter is:
a: more agile/faster than a freighter.
b: you aren't risking a stupid amount of isk, to move a lot less than full volume

An entire fleet with less EHP than a BC, sounds like exactly the way I want to move my big expensive stuff.