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Do we want the new graphics upgrade?

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MotherMoon
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
#341 - 2012-04-13 17:10:57 UTC
T-B0NE wrote:
Lapine Davion wrote:
I'm sorry that computing power continues to march on while you are stuck in the dark age.
I'm sorry you think graphics cards that require as much energy as some large household appliances is justified in the name of "progress".


This tech works on the most commonly used GPU that eve players use

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Vertisce Soritenshi
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#342 - 2012-04-13 17:12:38 UTC
T-B0NE wrote:
Lapine Davion wrote:
I'm sorry that computing power continues to march on while you are stuck in the dark age.
I'm sorry you think graphics cards that require as much energy as some large household appliances is justified in the name of "progress".

I am willing to bet that whatever graphics card you have right now uses more power than the current gen cards do. This makes your argument invalid. Try again.

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Vertisce Soritenshi
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#343 - 2012-04-13 17:15:44 UTC
Lapine Davion wrote:
Vertisce Soritenshi wrote:
ASuperVillain wrote:
JamDunc wrote:
CCP just announced the potential for a new graphics upgrade.

The new upgrade would take 5 man years. For comparison the Trinity upgrade took 50 man years.

Thoughts?

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Hell no...

give us an "opt out" for your pretty-fi bullshit.

besides two words come to mind... buggy, incomplete
which is to say MORE OF THE SAME

-ASV

Games die because they cannot keep up with newer games in graphical quality. Despite what people like to say, game play isn't everything. Last time I went looking for a new game to play I didn't go looking for the old games with crappy graphics. I went looking for the new games with the nice new graphics.

And by the way...you do have an opt-out. It's called biomassing. You don't even have to log into the pretty-fi game to do it either. Lucky you!


Lets not go overboard here. CCP has said that the opt-out for the graphics would be like what they did when Trinity 2.0 came out. These people will have a few years to update their systems to accommodate the new graphics. I for one look forward to seeing pretty spaceships.

Not going overboard...just stating a fact. But yes I am aware that they would phase out the old graphics just like they did with Trinity. Problem is...when it comes time to phase out the old graphics we will be having the same argument with the same people who still havn't upgraded and expect us all to cater to them and never improve the graphics.

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T-B0NE
Doomheim
#344 - 2012-04-13 17:20:26 UTC
Vertisce Soritenshi wrote:
Problem is...when it comes time to phase out the old graphics we will be having the same argument with the same people who still havn't upgraded and expect us all to cater to them and never improve the graphics.
That's not what I'm saying, what I'm saying is it would be nice if developers could do more with the resources at hand instead of asking people to shell out the price of a video game console for a tiny lil graphics card.

“Death and destruction are necessary to the health of the world, and therefore as natural, and lovable, as birth and life. Only priests and born cowards moan and weep over dying. Brave men face it with approving nonchalance." - Ragnar Redbeard
Vertisce Soritenshi
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#345 - 2012-04-13 17:24:08 UTC
T-B0NE wrote:
Vertisce Soritenshi wrote:
Problem is...when it comes time to phase out the old graphics we will be having the same argument with the same people who still havn't upgraded and expect us all to cater to them and never improve the graphics.
That's not what I'm saying, what I'm saying is it would be nice if developers could do more with the resources at hand instead of asking people to shell out the price of a video game console for a tiny lil graphics card.

The problem is, all the cool stuff they want to do like Tesselation, that improves not only graphical quality but enables them to improve several aspects of gameplay, do require said upgrades.

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Barakach
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#346 - 2012-04-13 17:32:29 UTC
T-B0NE wrote:
Lapine Davion wrote:
I'm sorry that computing power continues to march on while you are stuck in the dark age.
I'm sorry you think graphics cards that require as much energy as some large household appliances is justified in the name of "progress".


What, you mean the 30-40 watts this game takes? You do realize that newer video cards consume LESS power.. right?

ATI7970 consumes about 1/2 the power of my ATI6950 while having about double the performance.
Denidil
Cascades Mountain Operatives
#347 - 2012-04-13 17:32:57 UTC
CCP Peirz wrote:
Windows XP.


anyone still running XP is a dinosaur and gets what comes to them when things update their technology.

Tedium and difficulty are not the same thing, if you don't realize this then STFU about game design.
T-B0NE
Doomheim
#348 - 2012-04-13 17:36:14 UTC
Denidil wrote:
anyone still running XP is a dinosaur and gets what comes to them when things update their technology.
Be that as it may XP is still one of the most stable Windows operating systems around and many companies still use it.

“Death and destruction are necessary to the health of the world, and therefore as natural, and lovable, as birth and life. Only priests and born cowards moan and weep over dying. Brave men face it with approving nonchalance." - Ragnar Redbeard
Vertisce Soritenshi
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#349 - 2012-04-13 17:40:17 UTC
T-B0NE wrote:
Denidil wrote:
anyone still running XP is a dinosaur and gets what comes to them when things update their technology.
Be that as it may XP is still one of the most stable Windows operating systems around and many companies still use it

Ummm...no. If they are still using XP it is because they are too cheap to upgrade to Windows 7 not because it is "more stable".

Which it isn't by the way.

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Denidil
Cascades Mountain Operatives
#350 - 2012-04-13 17:40:51 UTC
T-B0NE wrote:
Lapine Davion wrote:
I'm sorry that computing power continues to march on while you are stuck in the dark age.
I'm sorry you think graphics cards that require as much energy as some large household appliances is justified in the name of "progress".


yes.. because my dual video card system with a 1300W power supply (IIRC never exceeds 950) needs a 15 AMP breaker like a large appliance *rolleyes*

shut your ignorant pie hole.

Tedium and difficulty are not the same thing, if you don't realize this then STFU about game design.
T-B0NE
Doomheim
#351 - 2012-04-13 17:45:44 UTC
Denidil wrote:
yes.. because my dual video card system with a 1300W power supply (IIRC never exceeds 950) needs a 15 AMP breaker like a large appliance *rolleyes*

shut your ignorant pie hole.
How about I shut my pie hole and shove my foot in your's you Richie B**ch mutha f**ka.

“Death and destruction are necessary to the health of the world, and therefore as natural, and lovable, as birth and life. Only priests and born cowards moan and weep over dying. Brave men face it with approving nonchalance." - Ragnar Redbeard
Denidil
Cascades Mountain Operatives
#352 - 2012-04-13 17:49:19 UTC  |  Edited by: Denidil
T-B0NE wrote:
Denidil wrote:
yes.. because my dual video card system with a 1300W power supply (IIRC never exceeds 950) needs a 15 AMP breaker like a large appliance *rolleyes*

shut your ignorant pie hole.
How about I shut my pie hole and shove my foot in your's you Richie B**ch mutha f**ka.


oooh.. internet tough guy.. i'm soooo impressed. maybe your mommy should buy you a stress ball.

[edit] and i only build new machines every 5 ish years.. so yeah i build good machines when i do.

Tedium and difficulty are not the same thing, if you don't realize this then STFU about game design.
Lapine Davion
Outer Ring Applied Logistics
#353 - 2012-04-13 18:16:57 UTC
T-B0NE wrote:
Lapine Davion wrote:
I'm sorry that computing power continues to march on while you are stuck in the dark age.
I'm sorry you think graphics cards that require as much energy as some large household appliances is justified in the name of "progress".


I'm very sorry that your entire computer, a machine with more computing power than almost any computer in computing history takes slightly more power than a refrigerator, but less power than any of the computers in computing history.
:firstworldproblems:

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Alrione
Black Lagoon Inc.
#354 - 2012-04-13 18:17:19 UTC  |  Edited by: Alrione
T-B0NE wrote:
Denidil wrote:
anyone still running XP is a dinosaur and gets what comes to them when things update their technology.
Be that as it may XP is still one of the most stable Windows operating systems around and many companies still use it.

No the reason companies don't update is because they are too cheap to upgrade from celeron machines with 1gb ram and the license price for the newer windows. Trying to look at average company as a forefront of IT knowledge is very wrong.
Another reason is that some/few companies have bespoke software written that operates only on certain ox under certain conditions and they are incapable to move on for whatever idiotic reason they have.

Also XP has a fair share of stability problems, actually it has more problems then vista that so many wrongly believe to be terrible. Id like to see xp recover from driver failure, when vista/7 simply reload the said driver.
I have used same win7 install since early 2010, it went through 2 motherboards, 2 cpus and 3 graphic cards in that span of time.
XP? I had to reinstall the pos every half a year.
Lapine Davion
Outer Ring Applied Logistics
#355 - 2012-04-13 18:19:59 UTC
T-B0NE wrote:
Denidil wrote:
anyone still running XP is a dinosaur and gets what comes to them when things update their technology.
Be that as it may XP is still one of the most stable Windows operating systems around and many companies still use it.


It really isn't all that great. Most companies still using XP are doing so because their software doesn't support Windows 7.

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Lapine Davion
Outer Ring Applied Logistics
#356 - 2012-04-13 18:22:08 UTC
Alrione wrote:
T-B0NE wrote:
Denidil wrote:
anyone still running XP is a dinosaur and gets what comes to them when things update their technology.
Be that as it may XP is still one of the most stable Windows operating systems around and many companies still use it.

No the reason companies don't update is because they are too cheap to upgrade from celeron machines with 1gb ram and the license price for the newer windows. Trying to look at average company as a forefront of IT knowledge is very wrong.
Another reason is that some/few companies have bespoke software written that operates only on certain ox under certain conditions and they are incapable to move on for whatever idiotic reason they have.

Also XP has a fair share of stability problems, actually it has more problems then vista that so many wrongly believe to be terrible. Id like to see xp recover from driver failure, when vista/7 simply reload the said driver.
I have used same win7 install since early 2010, it went through 2 motherboards, 2 cpus and 3 graphic cards in that span of time.
XP? I had to reinstall the pos every half a year.


Reinstalling XP twice a year was recommended by the manufacturer, actually.

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Alrione
Black Lagoon Inc.
#357 - 2012-04-13 18:26:31 UTC
Lapine Davion wrote:

Reinstalling XP twice a year was recommended by the manufacturer, actually.


I made sure to follow the procedure Lol
T-B0NE
Doomheim
#358 - 2012-04-13 18:33:56 UTC
Returning to topic, yes I would like new graphics, but not if it means having to upgrade. If I have to upgrade to keep playing this game, I might not, which leads me to wonder if I should invest the time and money in this game now knowing that day may come (no you can't have my stuffs).

“Death and destruction are necessary to the health of the world, and therefore as natural, and lovable, as birth and life. Only priests and born cowards moan and weep over dying. Brave men face it with approving nonchalance." - Ragnar Redbeard
Denidil
Cascades Mountain Operatives
#359 - 2012-04-13 20:35:57 UTC
oh.. t-bone... only a complete and total idiot thinks windows xp is stable compared to win7 64bit

Tedium and difficulty are not the same thing, if you don't realize this then STFU about game design.
Stellar Vix
State War Academy
Caldari State
#360 - 2012-04-13 20:49:50 UTC
Just like Windows XP getting phased out in 2014.

Get with the program. Eve graphics are obviously helping get new players in for sure and is contributing to her growth.

-Vix

SWA Instructor, Commander Select Currently being blamed as SWA's CEO SWA PVP Program