EVE General Discussion

There's probably more truth to this than most may be willing to admit. But I still think that more effort should be put in reaching the non-forum masses. Again, not force them to vote or any nonsense like that. Rather, inform them that the option is there and what it means to them, should they choose to partake in the process.

Definately the best feature of the new forums.

Forced voting would have to allow a "no confidence" vote, and any candidates would have to exceed the no confidence vote to be elected.

Otherwise you end up with candidates claiming a mandate that they don't actually have.

I don't know, Matrixskye.

You already get slapped in the face with it on the log in screen.

Like most democracies, most people in EVE are just too apathetic when it comes to voting for things like the CSM. CSM is the equivalent of a cheap photo op and most players are smart enough to realize this.

The only thing I can think that might get people to vote is an annoying, blinking, 'Have You Voted Yet?' header that flashes every time you open your wallet. And even then, people will only vote to shut the thing up.

Not exactly the informed decision that would be what we would like to see. Lots of fodder for the CCP hype machine though.

No. Voting for the CSM will always be a game that only the forum elitists have fun playing.

Scrap it. It served it's purpose. Now let it die with what little dignity it can muster.

Mr Epeen

CCP got caught in yet another **** storm of it's own making.

In trying to salvage what they could, they (much like pro wrestling) quickly wrote up a little script in which the CSM comes in on their white stallions and save the day. CSM played their part masterfully and the storm died much before it should have considering the intensity it had. It had nothing to do with the caliber of the CSM and everything to do with the masters of spin over in Iceland.

So saying most relevant of all the CSMs to date is really not saying much. CSM is a marketing tool. Nothing more.

Mr Epeen

As much as I hate being forced to do something I personally think a in game voting system would benefit the community more.

Either entice players with isk (small amounts 10mil and only 1 time vote per paid account) or something along those lines. If you truly want your game or CSM to represent the community this would be the most efficient way.

Look at the GOV of Australia

Taken from Wikipedia

"Voting is compulsory both at federal elections and at elections for the state and territory legislatures. In the states of South Australia, Tasmania and Western Australia voting at local elections is not compulsory.[6] About 5% of enrolled voters fail to vote at most elections. People in this situation are asked to explain their failure to vote. If no satisfactory reason is provided (for example, illness or religious prohibition), a relatively small fine is imposed ($20),[7] and failure to pay the fine may result in a court hearing"

This allows the Gov to truly represent the people.

This way you end up with better turn out then most Western countries where in Canada we get maybe a 50% of the population then people ***** about the Gov even though they did not vote.

I would be more inclined to vote on in game issues or CSM if I did not have to open a separate browser window. I did no participate in the crowd sourcing on what to work on due to

1. The Garbage page it was put upon, To much going back and forth to read the issues. There was no short description on what they were talking about, so I could get an overview of what they were talking about. I would have been fine if each issue had a synopsis with a link taking it to the full description of the suggestion.

2. The fact that you had to go to a website then turn around and make a post with your top issues. This is completely a waste considering it is possible to make polls in web browsers or in game and they automatically tally all the votes. Having to try and read through the 100's of suggestions then go make a post. Half way through I said screw this its to much of a hassle.

Riggs

Well that is something I did not realize. I have always thought that ballets should have a NONE OF THE ABOVE box on them. That way it would show how much the candidates actually represent the population. If you don't want to vote for any of them vote for none of them.

Riggs

Give this man a Bells.

I had a similar thought.. Have all pending expansions/developments/changes put into "migration stasis". The player vote then becomes the approval for migration and implementation. Let CCP develop Eve as we all seem fit (scooping ideas from features and suggestions and obviously their own dev/design teams), let the people who pay their salaries and keep their game afloat (That would be the player base) decide on which of those changes to implement at the end of the day.

Give all active accounts 30 days to vote on it (with abstaining/I dont care votes being the default option) prior to finalizing the migration and deployment of new expansions. If you dont care to read what your voting on, then you shouldn't care about it making its way server side either while you continue to just play your game. If you don't care to vote, you can choose not to. So to this end, make the voting thing a button in the character selection screen, similar to the redeem items option. 1 Vote per account.

The CSM is a joke in my eyes. Everywhere I look I see topics started by CSM members (often with their own agendas who are also easily bought) pretending to speak on my behalf. Truth is, no CSM ever came to my place, had a sit down and a chat with what I want in eve over tea or anything. If CCP forced votes on content development from the player base, then this will be a step in the right direction. Down with the CSM.

+1

why?

the customer with 5 accounts is about 5x as important to ccp as the one with one account - don't see why it would be a good idea to treat the equally...

imagine both players disagree on a change to game mechanics - would you really want to risk driving away the player who pays for 5 accounts with an equal chance as the players who only generates 20% of his revenue?

(and inb4 "OMG RL democracy yadda yadda yadda" Prussia did actually weigh your votes on parliament elections depending on your contribution to tax revenue; those people (industrialists) who did essentially finance the state got a vastly increased say over those who paid very little in taxes: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prussian_three-class_franchise - such systems are hardly unheard of even irl)

We already have an ingame voting system it's called the "cuncurrent users online" vote.