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Khazarn Areth
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#341 - 2012-04-13 13:41:56 UTC
Theobar Cresthill wrote:
I was once told by a former, high ranking member of PIE, that your organization has spies and operatives all over the Cluster. I am sure you do not need me to tell you who assigned me this mission. Use your advanced intelligence gathering capabilities, skills in deduction, and so forth to figure it out as if you do not already know.


Ease up on the X-instinct and Mindflood, you're embarrassing yourself.

Bloody Omir's coming back Monsters from the endless black Wading through a crimson flood Omir's come to drink your blood

Theobar Cresthill
The Arzad Hamri Fellowship
#342 - 2012-04-13 13:41:57 UTC
Rodj Blake wrote:

Oh, so you're suddenly embarrassed by the people you associate with.


I am proud of the people I associate with, but you know as well as I do that you do not openly reveal the agent or agency of such missions. Mr. Blake. I believe that deep within you is a light that is telling you how wrong slavery is. You are afraid to give quarter to that light, lest you realize that the majority of your life has been lived in vain. It is never to late to change your mind and pursue a different path. I realize how hard that would be for you considering your years of service to PIE and investment of time and energy. It would take a very brave man to do what is right and reject slavery.

As for Mr. Thessalonia. My point is that it is common knowledge among capsuleers who assigns these types of missions. Neither you, nor Mr. Blake need me to tell you so. If you have a point to make about the people who assigned me this task, just make it. There is no need for you to pussy foot around.

Mr. Blake and Mr. Thessalonia: two men caught in cultures of slavery. I pray to God for your lost souls. I pray that both of you would see God's light, reject slavery, and pursue a path of restitution.

"The fire in our hearts burns for salvation, redemption, and grace. May the Word of God grant you the courage to save yourself and your people" (The Last Words of Arzad Hamri)
Tiberious Thessalonia
True Slave Foundations
#343 - 2012-04-13 14:10:54 UTC
Theobar Cresthill wrote:
Rodj Blake wrote:

Oh, so you're suddenly embarrassed by the people you associate with.


I am proud of the people I associate with, but you know as well as I do that you do not openly reveal the agent or agency of such missions. Mr. Blake. I believe that deep within you is a light that is telling you how wrong slavery is. You are afraid to give quarter to that light, lest you realize that the majority of your life has been lived in vain. It is never to late to change your mind and pursue a different path. I realize how hard that would be for you considering your years of service to PIE and investment of time and energy. It would take a very brave man to do what is right and reject slavery.

As for Mr. Thessalonia. My point is that it is common knowledge among capsuleers who assigns these types of missions. Neither you, nor Mr. Blake need me to tell you so. If you have a point to make about the people who assigned me this task, just make it. There is no need for you to ***** foot around.

Mr. Blake and Mr. Thessalonia: two men caught in cultures of slavery. I pray to God for your lost souls. I pray that both of you would see God's light, reject slavery, and pursue a path of restitution.


I actually have no idea who you've been working for. I have no idea why you're refusing to say.

I've said this before, but I think I'm done with you. You're insane, paranoid, accusatory to a degree unbecoming of you, and frankly rather dull.

Good luck with your calling.
Rodj Blake
PIE Inc.
Khimi Harar
#344 - 2012-04-13 14:25:43 UTC  |  Edited by: Rodj Blake
Theobar Cresthill wrote:
Rodj Blake wrote:

Oh, so you're suddenly embarrassed by the people you associate with.


I am proud of the people I associate with, but you know as well as I do that you do not openly reveal the agent or agency of such missions.


I have in the past worked for the Theology Council, Viziam, Cathum Conglomerate and the Amarr Navy. But my largest sponsor over the years has been the Ministry of Assessment.

In the future, people shouldn't be surprised to see me working for the 24th IC.

I'm not scared of allowing people to know who I associate with, and neither should anyone else be.

Dolce et decorum est pro Imperium mori
Theobar Cresthill
The Arzad Hamri Fellowship
#345 - 2012-04-13 14:51:35 UTC
Rodj Blake wrote:
Theobar Cresthill wrote:
Rodj Blake wrote:

Oh, so you're suddenly embarrassed by the people you associate with.


I am proud of the people I associate with, but you know as well as I do that you do not openly reveal the agent or agency of such missions.


I have in the past worked for the Theology Council, Viziam, Cathum Conglomerate and the Amarr Navy. But my largest sponsor over the years has been the Ministry of Assessment.

In the future, people shouldn't be surprised to see me working for the 24th IC.

I'm not scared of allowing people to know who I associate with, and neither should anyone else be.


I Guess I wrongly assumed that you were a military man who had traditional military training. Don't confuse prudence with fear. It is militarily imprudent to reveal the details of a security mission outside of generalities especially when outside of normal operational areas. How did the agency I worked for know that Amarrian navy forces were planning to commit planetary homicide? They knew, because their operational parameters involved a level of secrecy. From things you have said in the past, I assumed you understood basic military procedures in such areas. I assumed that your many years experience included such training. I guess I was wrong. The 24th IC would be prudent not to assign you any duties outside of regular interdiction. They would be prudent to not assign you any operations involving secrecy and security. There is an old military intelligence saying, perhaps you have heard it before, "A slip of the lip, will sink your ship."

"The fire in our hearts burns for salvation, redemption, and grace. May the Word of God grant you the courage to save yourself and your people" (The Last Words of Arzad Hamri)
Rodj Blake
PIE Inc.
Khimi Harar
#346 - 2012-04-13 14:56:16 UTC  |  Edited by: Rodj Blake
But it's not so long ago that you were claiming that "advanced intelligence gathering capabilities, skills in deduction, and so forth" could be used to work it all out, so why not share it freely?

Anyway, saying "I sometimes work for x and my achievements include such and such" is very different from saying "I work for x and my next mission is to go to system y at xx:xx and blow up some whatevers"

So again I say that you are too ashamed to tell us who you were working for when you attacked Amarrian vessels.

Dolce et decorum est pro Imperium mori
Theobar Cresthill
The Arzad Hamri Fellowship
#347 - 2012-04-13 15:07:59 UTC
Rodj Blake wrote:
But it's not so long ago that you were claiming that "advanced intelligence gathering capabilities, skills in deduction, and so forth" could be used to work it all out, so why not share it freely?


I am trying to figure this out: Imperial Academy vs Royal Amarr institute.

Could it be educational differences? The Academy taught that part of military discipline is respecting the integrity of the chain of command in any operation involving special circumstances. This would include intelligence gathering behind enemy lines or in enemy territory. I was taught that what you say become a habit of speech. Traditional military training involves developing habits that do not lead to the betrayal of intelligence sources. You may know the generalities of the mission I was on, because that is common knowledge. But you will not find out specifics from me, that would violate the basics of my training. I am sure you yourself have read mission briefings that made specific mention of secrecy. The Academy taught that a misspoken word can endanger an intelligence operative. If the mission briefing says not to talk about it, you don't talk about it.

"The fire in our hearts burns for salvation, redemption, and grace. May the Word of God grant you the courage to save yourself and your people" (The Last Words of Arzad Hamri)
Silas Vitalia
Doomheim
#348 - 2012-04-13 15:11:14 UTC
Writing an in-depth account of every capsuleer mission you undertake will quickly lead to you repeating yourself, and I've a feeling will lead to some awkward discussions amongst your peers.





Sabik now, Sabik forever
Morwen Lagann
Tyrathlion Interstellar
#349 - 2012-04-13 15:12:27 UTC
Tiberious Thessalonia wrote:
Theobar Cresthill wrote:
I was once told by a former, high ranking member of PIE, that your organization has spies and operatives all over the Cluster. I am sure you do not need me to tell you who assigned me this mission. Use your advanced intelligence gathering capabilities, skills in deduction, and so forth to figure it out as if you do not already know.


You are now showing signs of advanced paranoia.


And gullibility.

PIE hasn't got the active pilots to form a fleet, let alone enough people to spare to spy on others outside its own ranks. And no, before someone tries putting words in my mouth here, I'm not saying that they spy on their own ranks; it would, however, not surprise me if they did.

Theobar, remember what I said a few pages back. You're better off keeping quiet with your head down, than noisy with a bullseye on your head and your foot wedged in your throat.

Morwen Lagann

CEO, Tyrathlion Interstellar

Coordinator, Arataka Research Consortium

Owner, The Golden Masque
Rodj Blake
PIE Inc.
Khimi Harar
#350 - 2012-04-13 15:20:32 UTC
Theobar Cresthill wrote:
Rodj Blake wrote:
But it's not so long ago that you were claiming that "advanced intelligence gathering capabilities, skills in deduction, and so forth" could be used to work it all out, so why not share it freely?


I am trying to figure this out: Imperial Academy vs Royal Amarr institute.

Could it be educational differences? The Academy taught that part of military discipline is respecting the integrity of the chain of command in any operation involving special circumstances. This would include intelligence gathering behind enemy lines or in enemy territory. I was taught that what you say become a habit of speech. Traditional military training involves developing habits that do not lead to the betrayal of intelligence sources. You may know the generalities of the mission I was on, because that is common knowledge. But you will not find out specifics from me, that would violate the basics of my training. I am sure you yourself have read mission briefings that made specific mention of secrecy. The Academy taught that a misspoken word can endanger an intelligence operative. If the mission briefing says not to talk about it, you don't talk about it.


Or it could be that you're working for the same organisation responsible for the bombardment of Caldari Prime and you're too embarrassed to admit it.

Dolce et decorum est pro Imperium mori
Theobar Cresthill
The Arzad Hamri Fellowship
#351 - 2012-04-13 15:26:06 UTC
Morwen Lagann wrote:
Tiberious Thessalonia wrote:
Theobar Cresthill wrote:
I was once told by a former, high ranking member of PIE, that your organization has spies and operatives all over the Cluster. I am sure you do not need me to tell you who assigned me this mission. Use your advanced intelligence gathering capabilities, skills in deduction, and so forth to figure it out as if you do not already know.


You are now showing signs of advanced paranoia.


And gullibility.

PIE hasn't got the active pilots to form a fleet, let alone enough people to spare to spy on others outside its own ranks. And no, before someone tries putting words in my mouth here, I'm not saying that they spy on their own ranks; it would, however, not surprise me if they did.

Theobar, remember what I said a few pages back. You're better off keeping quiet with your head down, than noisy with a bullseye on your head and your foot wedged in your throat.

I was perhaps unclear earlier. The PIE person was using 24th IC operatives. Whether they were also employed by PIE, I do not know. SInce I neither work for PIE nor the 24th IC, I am willing to reveal the source and quote it directly if you like. This person, who held the 24th IC rank of Divine Commodore and worked for PIE at the time, made specific references to " agents of the 24th watching activity." This was specific activity of another organization. Ms. Lagann, I appreciate your concerns for my safety and for the health of both my feet and my throat. Good day to you.

"The fire in our hearts burns for salvation, redemption, and grace. May the Word of God grant you the courage to save yourself and your people" (The Last Words of Arzad Hamri)
Theobar Cresthill
The Arzad Hamri Fellowship
#352 - 2012-04-13 15:30:31 UTC
Rodj Blake wrote:
Theobar Cresthill wrote:
Rodj Blake wrote:
But it's not so long ago that you were claiming that "advanced intelligence gathering capabilities, skills in deduction, and so forth" could be used to work it all out, so why not share it freely?


I am trying to figure this out: Imperial Academy vs Royal Amarr institute.

Could it be educational differences? The Academy taught that part of military discipline is respecting the integrity of the chain of command in any operation involving special circumstances. This would include intelligence gathering behind enemy lines or in enemy territory. I was taught that what you say become a habit of speech. Traditional military training involves developing habits that do not lead to the betrayal of intelligence sources. You may know the generalities of the mission I was on, because that is common knowledge. But you will not find out specifics from me, that would violate the basics of my training. I am sure you yourself have read mission briefings that made specific mention of secrecy. The Academy taught that a misspoken word can endanger an intelligence operative. If the mission briefing says not to talk about it, you don't talk about it.


Or it could be that you're working for the same organisation responsible for the bombardment of Caldari Prime and you're too embarrassed to admit it.


Or I could be telling the truth and won't reveal the information no matter how hard you try to bait me.

"The fire in our hearts burns for salvation, redemption, and grace. May the Word of God grant you the courage to save yourself and your people" (The Last Words of Arzad Hamri)
Rodj Blake
PIE Inc.
Khimi Harar
#353 - 2012-04-13 15:34:28 UTC
Theobar Cresthill wrote:
Rodj Blake wrote:
Theobar Cresthill wrote:
Rodj Blake wrote:
But it's not so long ago that you were claiming that "advanced intelligence gathering capabilities, skills in deduction, and so forth" could be used to work it all out, so why not share it freely?


I am trying to figure this out: Imperial Academy vs Royal Amarr institute.

Could it be educational differences? The Academy taught that part of military discipline is respecting the integrity of the chain of command in any operation involving special circumstances. This would include intelligence gathering behind enemy lines or in enemy territory. I was taught that what you say become a habit of speech. Traditional military training involves developing habits that do not lead to the betrayal of intelligence sources. You may know the generalities of the mission I was on, because that is common knowledge. But you will not find out specifics from me, that would violate the basics of my training. I am sure you yourself have read mission briefings that made specific mention of secrecy. The Academy taught that a misspoken word can endanger an intelligence operative. If the mission briefing says not to talk about it, you don't talk about it.


Or it could be that you're working for the same organisation responsible for the bombardment of Caldari Prime and you're too embarrassed to admit it.


Or I could be telling the truth and won't reveal the information no matter how hard you try to bait me.


I'll take that as a yes then.

Dolce et decorum est pro Imperium mori
Theobar Cresthill
The Arzad Hamri Fellowship
#354 - 2012-04-13 15:36:33 UTC
Rodj Blake wrote:

I'll take that as a yes then.


Take it however you wish.

"The fire in our hearts burns for salvation, redemption, and grace. May the Word of God grant you the courage to save yourself and your people" (The Last Words of Arzad Hamri)
Thgil Goldcore
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#355 - 2012-04-13 18:03:24 UTC
The fact this man thinks he ever worked for me directly is amusing. He readily offered information about the Deciples of Ston, and asked to get more. I had already made it public that I was looking for information about the Deciples of Ston. Of course I told you to gather any information you could, which you did. While I obviously encouraged these actions, what you did was purely under you. You where not under my orders in any sense of the word, you simply took my advice.

For that matter, undercover investigation is part of ANY good policing tactic. Your trying to demonize PIE and myself as villains for 'spying,' which is, at the core of it, a fairly standard military tactic. Cresthill, i never once asked you to do anything you weren't comfortable with at the time or weren't willing to do yourself anyway.

I'll also let you into a little secret. Mission agents will say whatever they need to in order to get you to do what they need you to do. This includes fabrications and outright lies. You are nothing but a tool to them.

If it wasn't for all the treason and murder business, I would pity you.
Theobar Cresthill
The Arzad Hamri Fellowship
#356 - 2012-04-13 18:29:41 UTC
Thgil Goldcore wrote:
The fact this man thinks he ever worked for me directly is amusing. He readily offered information about the Deciples of Ston, and asked to get more. I had already made it public that I was looking for information about the Deciples of Ston. Of course I told you to gather any information you could, which you did. While I obviously encouraged these actions, what you did was purely under you. You where not under my orders in any sense of the word, you simply took my advice.

For that matter, undercover investigation is part of ANY good policing tactic. Your trying to demonize PIE and myself as villains for 'spying,' which is, at the core of it, a fairly standard military tactic. Cresthill, i never once asked you to do anything you weren't comfortable with at the time or weren't willing to do yourself anyway.

I'll also let you into a little secret. Mission agents will say whatever they need to in order to get you to do what they need you to do. This includes fabrications and outright lies. You are nothing but a tool to them.

If it wasn't for all the treason and murder business, I would pity you.


Ms. Goldcore, your spirit is seething. This is often a sign of conviction. Please let that conviction do its work in your heart. Let the light of God's conviction in. You know in the depths of your soul that the cause of slavery in ungodly. I wasn't demonizing PIE for spying. If you look at the discussion, you are actually agreeing with me. I was pointing out exactly what you are saying, that spying is typical practice. Also, I didn't mention your name. Are you sure I was talking about you?

"The fire in our hearts burns for salvation, redemption, and grace. May the Word of God grant you the courage to save yourself and your people" (The Last Words of Arzad Hamri)
Silas Vitalia
Doomheim
#357 - 2012-04-13 18:34:54 UTC
Thgil Goldcore wrote:
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I'll also let you into a little secret. Mission agents will say whatever they need to in order to get you to do what they need you to do. This includes fabrications and outright lies. You are nothing but a tool to them.


Next we'll hear about the good captain's plans to rescue a certain damsel that often finds herself in distress.

Sabik now, Sabik forever
Tiberious Thessalonia
True Slave Foundations
#358 - 2012-04-13 18:37:58 UTC
Silas Vitalia wrote:
Thgil Goldcore wrote:
T

I'll also let you into a little secret. Mission agents will say whatever they need to in order to get you to do what they need you to do. This includes fabrications and outright lies. You are nothing but a tool to them.


Next we'll hear about the good captain's plans to rescue a certain damsel that often finds herself in distress.



My lord. Her again? That little trollop just can't stay unkidnapped!
Theobar Cresthill
The Arzad Hamri Fellowship
#359 - 2012-04-13 18:38:50 UTC
Silas Vitalia wrote:

Next we'll hear about the good captain's plans to rescue a certain damsel that often finds herself in distress.

I would be more than willing to help rescue people in distress for the right cause.

"The fire in our hearts burns for salvation, redemption, and grace. May the Word of God grant you the courage to save yourself and your people" (The Last Words of Arzad Hamri)
Rodj Blake
PIE Inc.
Khimi Harar
#360 - 2012-04-13 18:40:47 UTC
Silas Vitalia wrote:
Thgil Goldcore wrote:
T

I'll also let you into a little secret. Mission agents will say whatever they need to in order to get you to do what they need you to do. This includes fabrications and outright lies. You are nothing but a tool to them.


Next we'll hear about the good captain's plans to rescue a certain damsel that often finds herself in distress.



Are you encouraging him on purpose?

Is this all some fiendish apostate plot of yours?

Dolce et decorum est pro Imperium mori