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Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
#61 - 2012-04-13 06:07:03 UTC
Jayden Natinde wrote:

The game would break pretty fast if CCP allowed unlimited PLEX conversions


Why? It'd be just a matter of choice. Same kind of choices that make some guys think the minerals they mined are free and others to not tank hulks.

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Brockren
Forging Industries
Silent Infinity
#62 - 2012-04-13 11:49:54 UTC
eh I just want a new vid. card, I hope they do it again soon
Sydney Nelson
Nelson Universal Aerospace
#63 - 2012-04-13 15:15:39 UTC
Jayden Natinde wrote:
Sydney Nelson wrote:
Jayden Natinde wrote:
Aurel Svenso

Time is money. If you're turning game time into real life value it's a job, [u wrote:
and it pays really poorly.[/u]


It pays really poorly? ...
This is just a hypothetical scenario, but honestly if CCP goes big time with this, and you figure out how I'm making 9bil a day then this pays EXTREMELY well.



Nice pipe-dream though.


I like this post alot. Mainly because I was showing how if you know how to make ISK it is actually worth it, which you failed to comprehend. It's a shame that you believe that because you can't make 4.5bil isk an hour, that you think other people in Eve cannot do it.

Not gonna go any further than that, because my example still stands, and you didn't understand the point of my post correctly.


I understood just fine. I think you are the one who doesn't comprehend why your pipe-dream carreer-path is not viable.
If you read carefully, you will see that I gave you the benefit for the doubt. All my points are based on the assumption that you actually COULD bring-in 4.5bil/hour, EVEN-though I think you're full of sh!t by claiming you can. Please try to read more carefully before you dismiss my comments.

Here is the whole point you and Bobby seem to be missing;
People play this game for fun. There isn't a very high percentage of players who think it's necessary to rake-in 10 bil a day to have fun. As some others have commented already (Bobby included), there isn't even a good way to spend that much ISK anyway. Logically, one can conclude that the vast majority of the EVE population isn't trying very hard to make enough ISK to buy 20 PLEX per day. Now....
Let's ASSUME that CCP made a way for you to convert ISK to RL $ (in the manner that you are suggesting). Do you actually think for one minute that the whole mentality of EVE players won't change?! Wake up! Everyone and their mother will be trying to cash-in on it. Everyone will be hoarding ISK like mad-men. Your whole idea relies-on players who aren't trying to hoard ISk for no good reason. Most of the people in the game who are "super-rich" (high ISK income) SPEND that ISK on stuff to get blown-up, or other "silly" things. If those players could turn all that ISK into RL$, do you think they would "waste" it? No. They would "cash-out", the exact same way you are talking about doing. In actuallity, as a side-effect, it really would break the game. What would happen to EVE if everyone stopped spending ISK and tried to save-it in hopes of cashing-out for RL$?


***In case you're lazy and don't bother to read my detailed explanation;
The reason your idea wont work, and they whole point you're missing is this:

THE GAME WOULD CHANGE!!!

WHO are you going to make all of this "OMGWTFHOLYSH!TL33TPWN" ISK off-of when everyone is hoarding that sh!t like crazy because THEY'RE trying to cash-out too?!
Bad Bobby
Bring Me Sunshine
In Tea We Trust
#64 - 2012-04-13 16:32:44 UTC
Yes, I fully understand what you are saying and did the first time you said it.

While I have no idea if my fellow dreamers claims of wealth are authentic or otherwise, I would say that 4.5b a day is a trivial target for an experienced and knowledgeable EVE player. 800m - 1b per hour is both achievable and sustainable through efficient carebearing alone, before you even consider the obviously more scaleable alternatives in trade and manufacturing.
Sydney Nelson
Nelson Universal Aerospace
#65 - 2012-04-13 19:06:00 UTC
Bad Bobby wrote:
Yes, I fully understand what you are saying and did the first time you said it.

While I have no idea if my fellow dreamers claims of wealth are authentic or otherwise, I would say that 4.5b a day is a trivial target for an experienced and knowledgeable EVE player. 800m - 1b per hour is both achievable and sustainable through efficient carebearing alone, before you even consider the obviously more scaleable alternatives in trade and manufacturing.


I have no doubt that there are some people out-there who can make some pretty-good ISK playing EVE*.

However, homeboy claims that he could make 4.5b per HOUR, not per day. That's a pretty big difference.
He also thinks it's viable that he will be able to make $60,000 in RL money every year and only invest 2 hours a-day of his time to do so.


*After you take into account the common "brag factor" that most players feel they have to inject into their numbers to feel like their e-peen is bigger than everyone elses. Also, again we have to remember that if there were some significant (read RL$) reward for making sh!t-loads of ISK, there would be WAY more players doing it, which inherently, makes it much more difficult to do.
Lauren Hellfury
Super Happy Awesome Fun Times
#66 - 2012-04-13 19:25:10 UTC
Not quite, he said 9.something B per day for 2 hours in-game which gave the 4.5B per hour (active) figure.


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Bad Bobby
Bring Me Sunshine
In Tea We Trust
#67 - 2012-04-13 19:25:36 UTC
Sydney Nelson wrote:
However, homeboy claims that he could make 4.5b per HOUR, not per day.

Yes, I missread his post.

But he does say 9b per day for 2 hours work, so I assume he's trading.
Janet Patton
Brony Express
#68 - 2012-04-13 23:45:35 UTC
Bad Bobby wrote:
Dirk Decibel wrote:
What you all seem to be forgetting is that EVERY single PLEX in game is created through RL money. So CCP DID get those 300+ bucks for every card they sell.

Actually they got the "300+ bucks" for selling the PLEX, not the card.

Who knows what the value of a PLEX is to CCP? They could value it as the cost of providing a month of subscription or something else. The cost of posting the graphics card to a customer could be more or less than the cost of providing a month of subscription. Who knows if they paid NVIDIA for the cards or not, or if that payment was in money, services or good will.

If I exchange 20 PLEX for a graphics card, I am not paying "300+ bucks" of my money for it. I am paying 20 PLEX which someone else paid "300+ bucks" for. I could use those 20 PLEX to sub my accounts for a long time or I could do something else with them. Given the amount of isk I have relative to the amount of RL money I have, it would be foolish for me to spend RL money on an EVE subscription. Equally, it would be foolish for me to spend RL money on a new graphics card when CCP are offering me one for 10b isk.


This man knows what he is talking about. This is the same logic I try to explain to everyone else. I think think being able to trade game play for RL goods through PLEX is brilliant on CCP's part. Those of you that are complaining that PLEX cost to much ISK probably shouldn't be buying it. Instead you should be selling it.

Also I would like to add, it doesn't matter the value of the item they are giving away. If you are using ISK traded for PLEX to get that said item. You are ONLY a IDIOT if you buy these items (grahpic card) with RL money you spent on PLEX.

It may be a $200 graphic card, but you also have to consider shipping cost to EVERYONE around the world if its included. It could just be a voucher which would be the smartest idea. Still though, CCP is not doing this for charity and out of the kindness of their hearts. They are doing this for profit. In doing so, it benefits the most successful players of EVE. Not those that can barely scrape up 500m in 30 days to pay for another 30 days to do the same thing. (Though I'm sure they appreciate that you do. Keeping the demand for PLEX high. Which they profit more from, then monthy subscriptions.)

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Mr Vrix
Vrix Nation
#69 - 2012-04-15 22:20:45 UTC
not sure if it has been sayed yet

but if they woul do it fulltime then it would not stay at 10 bil for a card, it would go up fast like hell

plex will skyrocket to insane prices

this wouldalso mean alot players that now play for free will have to quit play eve as they nolonger able to buy the plex for gametime

its a good deal indeed for rich ppl but would messup the game if they put a unlimeted suply of cards in shop

it would make 0.0 warfare alot more interesting though as ppl would be fightingh for rl income
clixor
Celluloid Gurus
#70 - 2012-04-16 00:37:39 UTC
First of all. It wasn't mentioned in this thread that people upgrading their GPU also is benifitial for CCP. So, my best guess is that they are about breakeven on this deal (also good advertisement, so probably CCP doesn't have to pay for the cards).

Second, the resell value of the cards is horrible, so real RMT is out of the question. You can pretty surely know that people who are buying the cards are actually going to use them.

But even then, i don't agree that if a real RMT option would become available a lot would change. People would try to become more efficient, but if the MR's work 10% harder that means nothing.

The only thing to fear is bots, i think CCP shows with this deal that they are very confident in this war.

Last but not least, above all, CCP reaffirms the value of PLEX, which bottomline is most important.