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Hulk Pilots - Your New Standard For Empire

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Whitehound
#21 - 2012-04-13 12:02:06 UTC
Eternum Praetorian wrote:
So you see, you do not know anything about PVP.

Wrong, I do not know everything about PvP. I would however use EMP against a Hulk and I fail to see why you fit extra heat resistance onto it.

Loss is meaningful. Therefore is the loss of meaning likewise meaningful. It is the source of all trolling.
Alara IonStorm
#22 - 2012-04-13 12:04:42 UTC  |  Edited by: Alara IonStorm
Terrorfrodo wrote:

It's not crap, it's a max-tank fit. You also have the choice to go for a compromise: Damage Control and one MLU. Exactly as with a combat ship you can fit on a spectrum from "full tank, crap damage/yield" over "medium tank, medium damage/yield" to "no tank, max damage/yield".

There in lies the issue, you can not tank it without the max tank fit. A Medium Shield Extender and DCU take away the option for even one MLU. Unlike a combat Ship like a Hurricane where you can just throw on extenders, Dmg mods, tackle and top tier guns.

Terrorfrodo wrote:

If I fit my combat ship for max dps and no tank, I'm gambling that I won't be the primary. If you fit your hulk for all yield and no tank, you're gambling that you'll not meet gankers today.

I fit mine with Tank, Tackle and DPS because most ships give me that option.

Yes I want the Hulk to have a bit more utility. If pilots want to sacrifice there DCU for 2 MLU's that is more inline with Sacrifices made by combat ships.
Eternum Praetorian
Doomheim
#23 - 2012-04-13 12:04:47 UTC  |  Edited by: Eternum Praetorian
Whitehound wrote:
Eternum Praetorian wrote:
So you see, you do not know anything about PVP.

Wrong, I do not know everything about PvP. I would however use EMP against a Hulk and I fail to see why you fit extra heat resistance onto it.



Kin,therm for blaster catalyst.
If your argument is fit EM instead, go ahead. There is CPU to do so, have a party. Switch out a rig for higher resists too... it might be a good idea.




But that is now your real argument now is it?

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Tanya Powers
Doomheim
#24 - 2012-04-13 12:04:48 UTC
July Oumis wrote:
Scanner goes on the Orca and the MLU stays at home, simple as that.

Since we cry about stuff: I want a 1000 DPS Tengu with 250k ehp... and please T2 fitted.



I'm sure you already enjoy paying your drake 45M when it was only 32M 3 months ago. I can't wait to see you post "OMAGAD ECONOMY SUCKS" when you'll have to start put buy orders at over 55M that will never be covered.
Go ahead shoot on your own foot, I'm enjoying each little bit of what's happening and what will come sooner than latter.

I'm spending all my minerals on building a Titan-tears collector, those 8 low slots full of T3 cargo expanders that increase your cargo for 500% each, plus I added Capital T4 cargo rigs that increase your tears by 1000%

Can't wait Lol
TheBlueMonkey
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#25 - 2012-04-13 12:07:50 UTC
if you mined in a group, in an area of space where you had good intel, you wouldn't have these issues.
Terrorfrodo
Interbus Universal
#26 - 2012-04-13 12:13:31 UTC
Tanya Powers wrote:
I'm sure you already enjoy paying your drake 45M when it was only 32M 3 months ago.

If prices go up, miners can tank their hulk properly and still earn a lot more ISK/hour than before with a paper hulk, so what's the problem?

There are only so many players willing and able to form dedicated ganking teams. Anyone can train two chars and gank solo whenever he feels like it. Even if you only need one more guy (=a second player) to kill a hulk, the number of gangs around at any one time that can do this will shrink drastically. Also, gangs are always easier to spot and avoid than single attackers.

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Comy 1
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#27 - 2012-04-13 12:17:35 UTC
Please everyone keep not listening to the guys advices. It will make killing you a lot easier.
Asuri Kinnes
Perkone
Caldari State
#28 - 2012-04-13 12:35:07 UTC
Sorry if I'm late to the party, my take on the Rokh Miner:


[Rokh, Miner]
Aoede Mining Laser Upgrade
Aoede Mining Laser Upgrade
Local Hull Conversion Expanded Cargo I
Local Hull Conversion Expanded Cargo I
Damage Control II

'Dactyl' Type-E Asteroid Analyzer
Large Shield Extender II
Magnetic Scattering Amplifier II
Invulnerability Field II
Heat Dissipation Amplifier II
Invulnerability Field II

Miner II
Miner II
Miner II
Miner II
Miner II
Miner II
Miner II
Drone Link Augmentor II

Large Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer II
Large Cargohold Optimization I
Large Core Defence Field Extender I


Warrior II x5
Mining Drone II x5


Needs a 3% CPU implant.

With everything off it has 69.2/65.2/57.5/64.6 resists - 62K+ (eft) EHP.
Everything on (cap stable @ 44%): 79/80.5/79.6/83 - 110K+ (eft) EHP.
Overheated (2 mins, 40 seconds): 80.4/82.6/82.7/85.6 - 122K+ (eft) EHP.

cargo hold of 1168 m/3, yield of 1030/cycle w/drones.

Before links/augmentations/breakfast.

No, I don't mine... I just love Rokh's.....

Lol

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That's all you need to know.
ISD Grossvogel
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
ISD Alliance
#29 - 2012-04-13 12:43:41 UTC  |  Edited by: ISD Grossvogel
Thread moved from General Discussion, cleaned up; let's keep it civil, folks.

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Smodab Ongalot
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#30 - 2012-04-13 12:44:07 UTC
Whitehound wrote:
Where do scanner ...


Scanner modules are worthless. Why are you using them?
Whitehound
#31 - 2012-04-13 12:46:44 UTC
Smodab Ongalot wrote:
Whitehound wrote:
Where do scanner ...


Scanner modules are worthless. Why are you using them?

Because they are useful for finding full asteroids and to keep the mining yield up.

Loss is meaningful. Therefore is the loss of meaning likewise meaningful. It is the source of all trolling.
Gypsio III
State War Academy
Caldari State
#32 - 2012-04-13 12:47:04 UTC
Eternum Praetorian wrote:
Whitehound wrote:
Eternum Praetorian wrote:
Looks like someone forgot their medication that should not be taken in public.
Thx for the bump!

Do not start talking about Tippia then.

I do not think a Hulk can tank. Your fit is still proof of it. You can respond to a million comments but your fit just does not speak for itself.

I also will not bow out now, since you keep coming. We can carry this to the bitter end.




That is because you seem to not know some fundamental basics regarding PVP, buffer tanks and resists. Also, my commentary regarding a known forum troll's observable pattern of behavior, is no way similar to your RL accusations of alcoholism and pill popping.



I remember a painful thread where Whitehound got confused between missile and turret tracking. He isn't exactly a fount of Eve knowledge.
Eternum Praetorian
Doomheim
#33 - 2012-04-13 12:48:14 UTC  |  Edited by: Eternum Praetorian
Actually, I think Im done here. Back to GD!

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Whitehound
#34 - 2012-04-13 12:50:58 UTC
Eternum Praetorian wrote:
Ok so, if you don't PVP and you don't seem to know much about mining either, what exactly do you do in game? Fly around in circles in mission rooms?

If you mine an almost empty asteroid will you spend an entire 3 minutes on almost nothing. Does this not reduce my yield?

Loss is meaningful. Therefore is the loss of meaning likewise meaningful. It is the source of all trolling.
Eternum Praetorian
Doomheim
#35 - 2012-04-13 12:51:55 UTC
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Whitehound
#36 - 2012-04-13 12:52:46 UTC
Gypsio III wrote:
I remember a painful thread where Whitehound got confused between missile and turret tracking. He isn't exactly a fount of Eve knowledge.

Nor are you.

Loss is meaningful. Therefore is the loss of meaning likewise meaningful. It is the source of all trolling.
Arkon Olacar
black.listed
#37 - 2012-04-13 13:08:39 UTC
I'm not sure which threads are more tiresome: "omg mittens is satan" or "hulk needs the tank of a titan" threads.
Whitehound
#38 - 2012-04-13 13:12:10 UTC
Arkon Olacar wrote:
I'm not sure which threads are more tiresome: "omg mittens is satan" or "hulk needs the tank of a titan" threads.

None of them. It is the constant back and forth of useless arguments. Opinions are the best read.

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EFF ONEF1
Caldari Grand Prix Engineering
#39 - 2012-04-13 13:12:55 UTC
Eternum Praetorian wrote:
Since PVP knowledge alludes most miners (and greed seems to permeate all of you more then sensibility) I have elected to post a decent "Hulk Fit" for this age of EVE's evolution. ATM, do to hulkageddon, Minmatar's stupid high alpha and a blaster buff, everything is dieing in record numbers. Empire is no longer just "Not Safe" there are gankers online 23/7 in every market hub, and they will scan every ship and every shuttle as they fly by. If your mining in a hulk, unless you are in a deep dark system somewhere... some ganker is pretty much on his way.


So... Here is what a PVP guy has learned about mining in a fairly short amount of time.




The Tanked Hulk (that you should all be flying now)


Stats: 33,776 EHP
Resists: 71.7 % EM, 85.8% Thermal, 83% Kinetic, 84% Explosive.


[Hulk, Tanked]
Damage Control II
Micro Auxiliary Power Core II

Thermic Dissipation Amplifier II
Medium F-S9 Regolith Shield Induction
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II

Modulated Strip Miner II, Veldspar Mining Crystal I
Modulated Strip Miner II, Veldspar Mining Crystal I
Modulated Strip Miner II, Veldspar Mining Crystal I

Medium Core Defense Field Extender I
Medium Core Defense Field Extender I



EFT is telling me with all skills at 5 this thing is over 2 pg. might be wrong
Freundliches Feuer
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#40 - 2012-04-13 13:17:32 UTC
Use a rattlesnake to mine if you want tank. Otherwise keep the tears flowin'