EVE New Citizens Q&A

Everything in this post is correct.

However i would like to also point out that it's not the modules stacking so much as the effects of the module
for example the EANM will reduce the effectiveness of A kinetic armor hardner or an EM Hardner.
because the EANM provides protection for all damage types.
A kinetic armor hardner WOULD NOT affect the bonus of an EM hardner.

And in no case would you start to lose resistance.

The general rule of thumb is 3 modules buffing the same thing is ok, 4 is straining it,
the 5th is practically useless.

Finally, there's a few common setups for hardeners depending on how many slots you have.

If you have 2 slots for resistance mods
its 1 Adaptive resistance mod
1 damage specific resistance mod for the primary damage the rats are putting out

if the rats do omni damage, fit 2 adaptive resistance mods.

If you have 3 slots
fit 2 resistance mods for the primary damage the rats put out
fir 1 resistance mod for the secondary damage the rats put out

if the rats do omni damage
fit 2 adaptive resistance mods
fit 1 resistance mod for whatever is weakest on your ship, usually explosive for armor tankers and em for shield tankers.

1. You are using railgunss; thos are long range weapons. Get more distance between you and the enemy and try to keep transversal small. This means: try to get the enemy to move directoly towards you or directly away from you.

2. You can only see other ships on the overview that are on grid with you. If your GF is in system you will see her in local, but not on the overveiw unless she is on your grid. (I hope I make sense to you...)

more technically:

Guns have a maximum rate at which they can turn around. The long range guns (railguns) turn slower than short range guns (blasters). Also, the bigger they are, the slower they turn.

The rate at which your gun can turn fastest is called it's tracking speed, and is expressed in radials/second.

Anything in orbit around you, combined with your own movement, results in a "speed across the sky" called transversal speed that is also expressed in radials/second.
For any given speed, this transversal velocity in orbit varies with range. This means that things that orbit close to you have a much higher transversal velocity than something at a greater distance, even though the speed is the same.

If your transversal is 0 ( you are flying to your target head-on, or flying from it at a spead greater than it can manage) this part of the "to hit" equation is [1].
As the targets' transversal speed grows, the chance to hit it grows smaller, until transversal becomes greater than your tracking speed, at which time you cannot hit the target anymore.
(Using this is part of the tactic called "speed-tanking")

Frigates tend to be speedy and orbit close-range, so their transversal is (very) high if you let them get close, and long-range guns will have trouble hitting them. Which you've already noticed.
This is why a cruiser has drones, and why in low level missions you tend to pick off frigates first if they're far away enough.

As far as your overview is concerned, it has a "return to default" button somewhere in it's menu.

Dont get your hopes up we just like the sounds of our own voices. Like we know something or some **** like that.

4x Dual 125mm railguns 1 x tractor beam

2 x cap recharger II's
1 x 10mn experimental ab II
1 x medium armor rep II
3 x racial hardeners
1 x medium auxilliary nano pump
2 x capacitor control circuits

Racial drone groups.

Dont forget to check rat damage type on mission survival and change hardeners accordingly.
I see your lvl 2 missions disappearing very rapidly with less work on your part.

There's a reason I suggested you use cap boosters. Even with max skills, in order to not run out of cap you are going to need THREE of those capacitor rigs and probably a t2 cap recharger or something. While it's annoying having to manage booster charges, it's way easier to manage your cap with them and doesn't require paying out the ass for rigs which are going to cut deep into your budget as a newbie.

Additionally, there are cap skills (energy management and energy systems operation) that both improve your cap recharge. If you don't have those trained up then cap rechargers and CCC rigs aren't going to be enough, but a capacitor booster setup will be.

The drone link in the highs is also doing absolutely nothing for you unless you are engaging rats at >40-50+ km. All that module does is allow you to command drones further.


The fit you're using is a mix between what I suggested and what he suggested. However, the one that he suggested is awful beyond belief, especially for a newbie. Ignore it.

Yeah ... one thing to understand about fits ... is that the modules in them are often interdependent.

What you want to do - is look at each fit - and figure out what EACH module does - and how that module interacts with the other modules in the fit to accomplish the purpose of the fit.

You design a fit to work in a certain way - with a degree of flexibility.

For me ... the way *I* fly ... I like to engage ther rats from as far away as I can. That gives me control of the engagement. I can run away or maneuver on the rats as I want, like ... a cowboy with a bunch of cattle. I can draw off the ones I want to kill first - the frigates - then come back and kill the cruisers. Against large numbers of rats - I have no problem ... except how long it's going to take me to kill them.

I accept that my tactics are going to make the mission take longer to complete than someone who is a brawler and just dives right into them. He is taking a chance that his tank will be broken - and have to warp out to avoid being blown up.


Now ... on drone modules - since I engage the rats at long ranges - 40-50km - and carry Weapons that will hit from that distance - I'm often outside of not merely the frigates range - but their cruisers as well.

Once I reduce the odds by wiping out the frigates and thining out the cruisers - then I load shorter range loads for my weapons and close in to finish them off.


Now - that is just the way *I* do it. That doesn't mean it's the "best" way to do it. To my mind there is no "best" way. There are simply advantages and disadvantages - and you take the ones you prefer.

For me ... it's like I'm having this little contest with the rats. If I have to warp out - I lose. I don't like losing so I don't like having to warp out. But that little contest is only in my head. The game doesn't care about things like that at all. It's just the way I like to play. Someone else - could have an entirely different approach.

I also don't like losing ships. Don't get me wrong - ships are just tools and they are expendable - but if you lose one - it means you lost the fight - and I don't like that - so I don't like losing ships.


What all this means - is that different people have different ways of having fun playing the game - and their philosophy will be reflected in their play style - which will be reflected in the way they fit their ships.


For some people - running missions is all about making money. Some of those people are having their fun doing PVP and for them - running missions is just a funding source - so they want to get through it as fast as they can.


For me ... missions are so damn boring ... if I don't make some kind of little game within the game about them ... I'd not be able to do them. Since I'm more of an industrialist - I'm running missions for standings - otherwise - I wouldn't do them at all.



Anyway ... don't worry. Just keep thinking about what you're doing, why you're fitting some module or other on your ship and how you're going to make things all work together to support your current goals.

You've gotten a fairly large knowledge dump here ... so just expect it to take a while before you really understand what people have said.

For threads like this - where you've gathered a good bit of information - bookmark them and then come back later and read them again. I've gotten a lot out of doing that as there's a lot of things you just don't see the implications of when you first read them. Later it's like "OH! That's what they meant!"

*shrug*

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One thing i noticed is that alot of folks recommended a Damage Control.
I would dispute this for a PVE craft.

A PVP craft might have the battle decided while in structure, it makes alot of sense to have one, especially if it depends on sheer hit points rather than active repair means.

A PVE craft on the other hand rarely spends much time in a defense that's not primary.
Shield tankers regard armor as the thing that gets damaged as your warp out.
Armor tankers regard shields as the thing that allows your reppers to get through the first cycle.
Both consider Structure Damage as a sign you were sleeping/tackled rather than warping the hell out.

For almost every PVE situation it would be better to fit a dedicated armor resistance mod.
In your fit, if you were fitting for omni damage I'd fit an Explosive Armor Hardner I or whatever meta level you got handy. If you can't spare the CPU fit an Explosive Nanoplating.

One exception to this would probably be Incursions.
With PVP like amounts of incoming damage that extra resists in your off tank/structure might be the difference between your fleet's logistics ships repping you from structure and you fleet's logistics ships looting your wreck.

To be fair, a damage control will also save you from lag, er, I mean "time dilation" that randomly makes your ship that always aligns in 3 seconds sit there looking stupid for about twenty while aligned instead.

And as a new player having something fitted that protects you from the consequences of rookie mistakes like not killing the tacklers first or letting your armor hit 10% before aligning in a mission is not entirely unreasonable. It's good to have some statistical padding when you're not quite 100% proficient with the game yet.