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Hulks should have more shield and armor

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Nadia Chamaeleon
Doomheim
#1 - 2012-04-13 03:25:29 UTC
8000 shield, 7000 armor and 6000 structure. It´s massive mining barge, exhumer. And it´s like crappy T1 cruiser. It should be HUGE. It shouldn´t be 2500 cubic meters packaged, like frigs are.

CCP should do this and stop listening little loser kiddos that don´t have balls to engage anything that can actually fire back.

We don´t need T3 mining ship, we just need our mining barges and exhumers brought in line with balance.
Adunh Slavy
#2 - 2012-04-13 03:27:06 UTC
0/10

Your alts are showing.

Necessity is the plea for every infringement of human freedom. It is the argument of tyrants; it is the creed of slaves.  - William Pitt
Utremi Fasolasi
La Dolce Vita
#3 - 2012-04-13 04:15:54 UTC
How many threads about this do we need, really?
Alara IonStorm
#4 - 2012-04-13 04:17:09 UTC
Utremi Fasolasi wrote:
How many threads about this do we need, really?

As many as it takes to take away from the one with legitimate discussion.
Serene Repose
#5 - 2012-04-13 07:35:04 UTC
I'm always amused to read the descriptions on ship info panels. "Responding to a need for....the [faction] had this new ship built...and does IT ever answer that need!"

"Realizing serious mining vessels were sitting ducks for ganking, ORE developed this NEW vessel to meet the defensive requirements of the mining industry..." There you go, CCP...see if you can finish it.

We must accommodate the idiocracy.
Gothikia
Le Goobers
#6 - 2012-04-13 08:09:50 UTC
If you're too stupid to protect your barges / exhumers then perhaps you shouldn't be flying them and then you wouldn't be crying about it on the forum.

<3 Gothie
TheBlueMonkey
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#7 - 2012-04-13 08:13:29 UTC
MOAR HULK THREADS \o/

I'll support the hulk having more shield and more armour if every gun does more dps too
Nirnias Stirrum
UberWTFBBQ and Battle Technologies
#8 - 2012-04-13 08:16:46 UTC
WTB FRIG WITH 2500m3 CARGO HOLD
Jorma Morkkis
State War Academy
Caldari State
#9 - 2012-04-13 08:21:40 UTC
Gothikia wrote:
If you're too stupid to protect your barges / exhumers then perhaps you shouldn't be flying them and then you wouldn't be crying about it on the forum.


Time it takes for cruiser to lock destroyer is enough for destroyer to destroy exhumer. And since Cats do 1000+ dps nowadays...
Yeah, that is stupid thing to do because it doesn't work.
Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#10 - 2012-04-13 08:31:45 UTC
Jorma Morkkis wrote:
Gothikia wrote:
If you're too stupid to protect your barges / exhumers then perhaps you shouldn't be flying them and then you wouldn't be crying about it on the forum.


Time it takes for cruiser to lock destroyer is enough for destroyer to destroy exhumer. And since Cats do 1000+ dps nowadays...
Yeah, that is stupid thing to do because it doesn't work.



Can I see your "1000+ dps" Catalyst fit?

"Just remember later that I warned against any change to jump ranges or fatigue. You earned whats coming."

Grath Telkin, 11.10.2016
Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#11 - 2012-04-13 08:32:39 UTC
Incidentally, Catalysts do Thermal/Kinetic damage - aren't those the Hulk's best resists?

"Just remember later that I warned against any change to jump ranges or fatigue. You earned whats coming."

Grath Telkin, 11.10.2016
Jorma Morkkis
State War Academy
Caldari State
#12 - 2012-04-13 08:44:03 UTC  |  Edited by: Jorma Morkkis
Malcanis wrote:
Can I see your "1000+ dps" Catalyst fit?


8x Light Neutron Blaster II / Void
3x Brynn's magstabs
hybrid collision accelerator I
hybrid burst aerator I

Wolf-Rayet C6

Around 1350 dps.

Edit: 5% rof implant. No fitting implants required.

Malcanis wrote:
Incidentally, Catalysts do Thermal/Kinetic damage - aren't those the Hulk's best resists?


Thermal is second lowest.
dethleffs
Immortalis Inc.
Shadow Cartel
#13 - 2012-04-13 09:23:46 UTC
[Catalyst, haha]
Cormack's Modified Magnetic Field Stabilizer
Cormack's Modified Magnetic Field Stabilizer
Cormack's Modified Magnetic Field Stabilizer

[empty med slot]
[empty med slot]

Light Neutron Blaster II, Void S
Light Neutron Blaster II, Void S
Light Neutron Blaster II, Void S
Light Neutron Blaster II, Void S
Light Neutron Blaster II, Void S
Light Neutron Blaster II, Void S
Light Neutron Blaster II, Void S
Light Neutron Blaster II, Void S

Small Hybrid Burst Aerator I
Small Hybrid Collision Accelerator I
[empty rig slot]

RoF and small hybrid turret damage implant
wolf rayet C6

1511 DPS


well, this was well spent time at the office.
ITTigerClawIK
Galactic Rangers
#14 - 2012-04-13 09:28:20 UTC
meh i could see more shield HP and possibly a little more hull being gallente
lanyaie
Nocturnal Romance
Cynosural Field Theory.
#15 - 2012-04-13 09:33:09 UTC
You would still pay more for your hulk. And it would still get ganked. No matter how much EHP you have you would still get killed.

Spaceprincess

People who put passwords on char bazaar Eveboards are the worst.
Alara IonStorm
#16 - 2012-04-13 09:41:10 UTC  |  Edited by: Alara IonStorm
lanyaie wrote:
You would still pay more for your hulk. And it would still get ganked. No matter how much EHP you have you would still get killed.

It isn't about EFT numbers but group participation. It is harder then people think to throw together a gank fleet. If you need 4 Nado's or 8 Caty's to take down a well tanked Hulk then the number of gankings will go down significantly. Maybe to the point where they take time picking there targets.

An extra 25 Grid and CPU and an extra 500 Shield would insulate a well tanked Hulk enough to make it a challenge to gank. It would require 3-4 Battlecruisers or a destroyer Group in the Higher Sec Levels. That is if you teach pilots to tank it.

Right now you can get a good tank but need to dump precious few slots loosing your MLU just to get a MSE.
Jorma Morkkis
State War Academy
Caldari State
#17 - 2012-04-13 09:44:03 UTC
lanyaie wrote:
No matter how much EHP you have you would still get killed.


If you can find the ship.
Dbars Grinding
Dark Venture Corporation
Kitchen Sinkhole
#18 - 2012-04-13 10:36:38 UTC
TheBlueMonkey wrote:
MOAR HULK THREADS \o/

I'll support the hulk having more shield and more armour if every gun does more dps too



they already do. where the fk have you been?

I have more space likes than you. 
St Mio
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#19 - 2012-04-13 10:42:52 UTC
Dear CCP,

Please buff everything I fly,
and nerf everything I don't fly.

Regards,
St Mio
Raiz Nhell
PeregrineXII
#20 - 2012-04-13 10:48:05 UTC
If you want shields and armour... Buy a bloody battleship...
If you want guns, buy a battleship...

If you want the ability to shoot roids and have a cargo hold you have to sacrifice something...

In a perfectly balanced game there would be 4 ships... "Racial Spaceship" each would be able to tank everything, shoot everyone, jam, mine and warp out....

I don't mine in a Rokh cause I trade EHP and DPS for yield...
I don't go into combat in a Hulk cause I value EHP and DPS...

Everything has a purpose, and a purpose for everything...


There is no such thing as a fair fight...

If your fighting fair you have automatically put yourself at a disadvantage.
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