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masternerdguy
Doomheim
#21 - 2012-04-12 01:19:35 UTC
Svodola Darkfury wrote:
masternerdguy wrote:
I actually scan people down and can flip them in missions to kill them, so I find your advice pretty funny.

I will be persistant. If you don't shoot me at first I will keep stealing and salvaging until you do. Think you can warp out and back? I have your accel gate bookmarked and will happily wait for you.

Still not engaging? Depending on your mission I'll bring my own big ship in and kill the structure/important rat and steal your mission loot.

If you try to fight back it doesn't matter how you're fit. My PVP ship will destroy you. I won't even show you my PVP ship until I have aggro on you with my little heron anyway.

I'd love for you to fly something like a Marauder because I can permajam you with my ECM drones. And by all means, bring a buddy. I can take multiple enemies on at once.

The best way to avoid something bad happening to you is to log off for an hour once someone like me shows up. Only way to lose my attention (scanning you guys down is annoying, so I'd rather spend 3 hours playing with you in your mission than probe someone else).



Your loot and salvage is not worth your ship. Ignore him.

He warps out? Blitz finish your mission. He steals your mission loot? Try to find spares on contract, the mission is now complete. Can't complete it? Oh well. Standing loss, log for now.

If he's in a heron, finish your mission, pop him, and dock up for 15 minutes.

He thinks he can jam you out with ECM drones? He's aggressed to your entire corp. Bring some friends in pvp ships after you get him to engage you. The best HIS friends can do is rep him, the best you can do is jam him out completely and blob him to smithereens. So even if you can't kill him, you can at LEAST jam him out as he's the only ship on the grid that can warp scramble you.

The best way to avoid this is to engage when you know you are at an advantage and before they have a chance to re-engage. I had a Rupture/Harbinger/Typhoon Fleet Issue try to bait one of my corp members who was in a drake one time. I came in with Drake/Ishtar and we just alpha'd through each ship; 10x medium armor repair maintenance drones can't keep up with 1500 dps. After we had burned through the Rupture and the Harbinger the Typhoon Fleet got scared and warped out. They reshipped to battleships, we docked up.


[edit]: My whole point with all this is to demystify high-sec aggression mechanics. Only people YOU shoot can shoot back at you. His friends can rep him to the ends of the earth, but if you can control his attacks by jamming him out or ranging him, you have an excellent chance of killing him. All the above advice is excellent advice to AVOID conflict.


This is exactly what I want you to do. Do any of this and It's game over for your mission boat. Seriously people, learn.

Things are only impossible until they are not.

Daniel Plain
Doomheim
#22 - 2012-04-12 01:50:16 UTC  |  Edited by: Daniel Plain
masternerdguy wrote:

This is exactly what I want you to do. Do any of this and It's game over for your mission boat. Seriously people, learn.


no you don't. the only thing you want right now is troll noobs on the interwebs.

I should buy an Ishtar.

Five Thirty
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#23 - 2012-04-12 04:53:23 UTC  |  Edited by: Five Thirty
masternerdguy wrote:
This is exactly what I want you to do. Do any of this and It's game over for your mission boat. Seriously people, learn.


Looks like a bunch of talk from mr internet tough guy. You are not impressive.

The problem I have with tools like you is that you abuse the fact that many mission running players do not understand the quirks and oddities of the aggression system. Many new players don't understand how aggressors can extend the timer.

I seriously hope that you find your way into my mission system someday. I fully guarantee that my mission boat will have you mashing the warp out button faster than you can say "can flipper".
Svodola Darkfury
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#24 - 2012-04-12 07:49:29 UTC
Daniel Plain wrote:
masternerdguy wrote:

This is exactly what I want you to do. Do any of this and It's game over for your mission boat. Seriously people, learn.


no you don't. the only thing you want right now is troll noobs on the interwebs.



+1.

Mission boats tank harder than most of your gank fits because they have actual tanks beyond a buffer.

http://eve.battleclinic.com/killboard/killmail.php?id=12255810

Your fits are the same as every other high-sec mission ganker: oh they won't hit back, I'll just crush them real quick... Oops that Machariel just hit me for 5k....

Director of Frozen Corpse Industries.

Ikonia
Royal Amarr Expeditions
#25 - 2012-04-12 09:41:27 UTC  |  Edited by: Ikonia
LOL @ masternerdguy

He hasnt even 1 single kill in highsec back until 2004, then i stopped looking. That guy is a loser-poser.

The only thing, that is important to know about him is, that he always has 2 or more buddies in a fleet. Once you can fly L4s solo, you have more than enough tankability, that a single PVP ship cant do anything against you. But it is important to know, that this low skill pirates never come solo. They have often enough low skills, bad ships and simply do this kind of piracy, because they cant find a foothold in PVP areas. They have learned the hard way, that chackals even in crowds still have to fear the lion.

Luckily they dont have enough brain and tap into every trap you set up easily. If such guys show up once in your mission site, keep ignoring them, and talk in background to one of these mercenary corps that love to hunt those. They come, cloak up and wait for especially him and his friends.

And all you need to do then is tank and watch their wimpering in local and the fireworks in your misison site :)


Cheers
Kara Books
Deal with IT.
#26 - 2012-04-12 10:36:51 UTC  |  Edited by: Kara Books
Caldari Rooks, most ninja salvagers have them on the ready.

Dealing with ninja salvagers is easy as pie.

Know, that there is no way to save your wrecks once company arives, Just know your not going to get any of it, destroy it or let them salvage it, your in control.

Kill the wrecks
Move from system to system at will.

Kill all the wrecks, dock, cancel mission move to a different agent/system.

Once they know that you in particular a waste of time, they will just attempt to P you off for a while, This is Ninja salvager tears, Collect the buckets and present your buckets to the public on the forums.

Don't talk to them, don't ignore them, Just kill the wrecks and see what they do next, if they want to troll you, then dont let them salvage, if they really badly need the ISK for a plex or something them its up to you, either way say goodby to your mission wrecks when company arrives.

Ninja salvagers.
Bring a noctis first, not a Heron.
most people will just not care if you peacefully and quietly salvage about, there's your 300-400M per day Just salvaging, but once you say something, make sure its not along the lines of "Hey look im steeling ur stuff" thats when people decide your not worthy of their droppings.

Want to pull a Funny? Drag the wrecks from under the ninja salvagers nose with a tractor beam!

As for fittings?
Forget that, Start a 2nd account and train your own ECM Caldari character, have it as your salvager/ECM/LOGI backup, cloaked and ready to spring a trap.

^ Ex mission runner.
Vangelios
#27 - 2012-04-13 00:31:41 UTC
Ikonia wrote:

Once you can fly L4s solo, you have more than enough tankability, that a single PVP ship cant do anything against you.


hmmm... energy neutralizers (you don't expect them in lvl4)... also you don't expect dmg types other then faction you are against.
Please don't tell me you omni-tank your lvl4 mission boat.

Sadly there is distinct difference between PVE and PVP fits.

In short. Don't PVP in PVE ships.

... Each small candle Lights a corner of the dark...

Svodola Darkfury
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#28 - 2012-04-13 02:18:21 UTC
Quote:


Please don't tell me you omni-tank your lvl4 mission boat.



Why? If i can omni tank 1k DPS, that's more than enough for ANY level 4 mission in the game.

Director of Frozen Corpse Industries.

Vangelios
#29 - 2012-04-13 03:19:40 UTC
Svodola Darkfury wrote:
Quote:

Please don't tell me you omni-tank your lvl4 mission boat.

Why? If i can omni tank 1k DPS, that's more than enough for ANY level 4 mission in the game.


Because I was getting impression that you are giving advice to other players.
Don't get me wrong as you are obviously experienced player with such a high omni tank.
And perhaps some of them are not experienced as you are, nor have a tank of yours.

But I'm sure that you can do ANY lvl4 faster by switching your sleeper-tank for actually needed tank, and use few more
damage mods. Just saying.






... Each small candle Lights a corner of the dark...

Daniel Plain
Doomheim
#30 - 2012-04-13 03:24:37 UTC
i do lvl4s with a 250ish tank. true story.

I should buy an Ishtar.

Aggressive Nutmeg
#31 - 2012-04-13 04:49:02 UTC
masternerdguy wrote:
I actually scan people down and can flip them in missions to kill them, so I find your advice pretty funny.

I will be persistant. If you don't shoot me at first I will keep stealing and salvaging until you do. Think you can warp out and back? I have your accel gate bookmarked and will happily wait for you.

Still not engaging? Depending on your mission I'll bring my own big ship in and kill the structure/important rat and steal your mission loot.

If you try to fight back it doesn't matter how you're fit. My PVP ship will destroy you. I won't even show you my PVP ship until I have aggro on you with my little heron anyway.

I'd love for you to fly something like a Marauder because I can permajam you with my ECM drones. And by all means, bring a buddy. I can take multiple enemies on at once.

The best way to avoid something bad happening to you is to log off for an hour once someone like me shows up. Only way to lose my attention (scanning you guys down is annoying, so I'd rather spend 3 hours playing with you in your mission than probe someone else).

Firstly, I smell a fair bit of bullshit in this post.

Secondly, I won't tell you where you went wrong because I enjoy playing with your type.

Sadly, I can't remember the last time I had someone invade a mission. I guess they must be learning it's a complete waste of time scanning down experienced pilots.

Never make eye contact with someone while eating a banana.

Svodola Darkfury
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#32 - 2012-04-13 07:02:29 UTC
Vangelios wrote:
Svodola Darkfury wrote:
Quote:

Please don't tell me you omni-tank your lvl4 mission boat.

Why? If i can omni tank 1k DPS, that's more than enough for ANY level 4 mission in the game.


Because I was getting impression that you are giving advice to other players.
Don't get me wrong as you are obviously experienced player with such a high omni tank.
And perhaps some of them are not experienced as you are, nor have a tank of yours.

But I'm sure that you can do ANY lvl4 faster by switching your sleeper-tank for actually needed tank, and use few more
damage mods. Just saying.





Actually you're completely wrong because shield tanks don't use damage mods in the mids. Target painter? ehh. Rigors usually handle it.

Director of Frozen Corpse Industries.

Goran Konjich
Krompany
#33 - 2012-04-13 07:48:04 UTC
Caldari Citizen 786478786 wrote:
Goran Konjich wrote:
thx .... one more point


  • put your drones to passive (or what is called in the menus) or return them


Drones, even when set to Aggressive, will NOT initiate aggression against another player. They will return aggression, but they never initiate it. Period.


i swear that they attacked the can flipper every time it happened to me ... twice What?

I'm a diplomat. Sometimes i throw 425mm wide briefcases at enemy. Such is EVE.

Goran Konjich
Krompany
#34 - 2012-04-13 07:49:29 UTC
Drew Solaert wrote:
Oh dear Goran. I expected more from a fellow of the University of Caille


LOL, i see what you did there Sir. Blink

anyways ... i expected EVEn more from myself, but im a noob ... what can i say, thx. Bear

I'm a diplomat. Sometimes i throw 425mm wide briefcases at enemy. Such is EVE.

Ikonia
Royal Amarr Expeditions
#35 - 2012-04-13 07:49:48 UTC  |  Edited by: Ikonia
Vangelios wrote:


hmmm... energy neutralizers (you don't expect them in lvl4)... also you don't expect dmg types other then faction you are against
Please don't tell me you omni-tank your lvl4 mission boat.

Sadly there is distinct difference between PVE and PVP fits.

In short. Don't PVP in PVE ships.


Oh there are more than 4 missions with Energy Neuts in the L4 class. At least in the Amarr space, that is.

Second point, i fly the L4s solo with a Zealot (heavy assault ship - cruiser class). If not too lazy then i take my 2nd toon with Logi or Orca additional, since i need the faction hits on the toon. L4s arent really hard, if you know them, or read the spoilers. If you just fly in and shoot at everything moving, well.... Point is, that a battleship is by far overtanked, even in an average resistance config, or omnitank.

I smile when remembering a buddy, who was flying an officer/plex stuff fitted Marauder in his L4s with a same expensive config HAC on his side. He got attacked by some of those missiongankers. The problem was, that he was simply only looking for them, and was not interested in the L4. He killed them 1 by 1 when they warped in.

PVPers are mainly interested in the kill. So they have to fit something, that keeps the target nailed down and not let it flee. For the benefit of that, they have to remove some other device, wether its energy, shield or armor. Quite no matter what, PVP vessels do in first order dmg. Because of that, they need to have buddies to compensate their weaknesses and tactics, which dont leave them vulnerable.

Further there is a big difference between hisec pirates, and real PVPers. The wannabes in hisec simply have success sometimes, because they are outnumbering those who are relatively new to the game, having a lower number of skills and few experience about game - and especially PVP/aggression - mechanics. In a few words: they are just attacking nearly defenseless players, and even those they cant take out alone and need a bunch of buddies.

Facts about those wannabe-a-pirate-poser-losers (wappl'ers*):

In low and nullsec are 100s, even 1000s of players who are looking for a fight. But those have teeth. Wapplers wont fight there.
Wapplers only attack targets, who cant defend themselves, because they are not in a PVP area.
Wapplers only attack in numbers, because they couldnt take out a single frigate solo even when they would fly a doomstar.
Wapplers never have much success, because beginners are rare. (proof? his last kill was before 2004 in highsec)
Wapplers often post in forums how dangerous they are - it is need to be said, else nobody would know.
Wapplers never have bounties on them. They couldnt afford to set them that often by themselves, and nobody else would set one.
Wapplers need love in forums, so please, dont hurt them.

Cheers

Wappler* Alle Wiener werden da sicher lachen, hehe.
Gorki Andropov
I Dn't Knw Wht You Wnt Bt I Cn't Gve It Anymre
#36 - 2012-04-13 09:11:00 UTC
I beat Masternerdguy twice in a row in a Jita duel, and he decried my success, claiming 'hax'. It was pretty amusing that he kept on rationalising reasons why I could beat him.
Tenris Anis
Schattenengel Clan
#37 - 2012-04-13 13:33:13 UTC
masternerdguy wrote:
I actually scan people down and can flip them in missions to kill them, so I find your advice pretty funny.

I will be persistant. If you don't shoot me at first I will keep stealing and salvaging until you do. Think you can warp out and back? I have your accel gate bookmarked and will happily wait for you..


I have to insist that you 'steal' my loot, because in all honestly I will not loot anything. And I will not salvage. So if you want that crap, feel free to waste your time on it.


Remove insurance.

Tenris Anis
Schattenengel Clan
#38 - 2012-04-13 13:45:36 UTC
Goran Konjich wrote:
Caldari Citizen 786478786 wrote:
Goran Konjich wrote:
thx .... one more point


  • put your drones to passive (or what is called in the menus) or return them


Drones, even when set to Aggressive, will NOT initiate aggression against another player. They will return aggression, but they never initiate it. Period.


i swear that they attacked the can flipper every time it happened to me ... twice What?


And did concord come and kill you? ;-)

Remove insurance.

Vangelios
#39 - 2012-04-13 16:13:30 UTC
Svodola Darkfury wrote:
Vangelios wrote:
Svodola Darkfury wrote:
Quote:

Please don't tell me you omni-tank your lvl4 mission boat.

Why? If i can omni tank 1k DPS, that's more than enough for ANY level 4 mission in the game.


Because I was getting impression that you are giving advice to other players.
Don't get me wrong as you are obviously experienced player with such a high omni tank.
And perhaps some of them are not experienced as you are, nor have a tank of yours.

But I'm sure that you can do ANY lvl4 faster by switching your sleeper-tank for actually needed tank, and use few more
damage mods. Just saying.



Actually you're completely wrong because shield tanks don't use damage mods in the mids. Target painter? ehh. Rigors usually handle it.


Because I said something you don't like, it doesn't mean I'm completely wrong. You are now talking from shield standpoint?, missile standpoint? actually you are talking from your ego standpoint. I'm talking in general terms.

But, you think that TP is useless and can't improve your DPS? Or you don't see how increase of your scan resolution can speed up your missioning? drone mods? TC? You think that there is no improvement for you?

My point was that if you do LVL4, there are faster ways then mega omni ego tank. Eve has many viable solutions for everything. Heaving narrow minded mindset is usually not good idea.





... Each small candle Lights a corner of the dark...

Iotas
KarmaFleet
Goonswarm Federation
#40 - 2012-04-13 16:34:28 UTC
masternerdguy wrote:
I actually scan people down and can flip them in missions to kill them, so I find your advice pretty funny.

I will be persistant. If you don't shoot me at first I will keep stealing and salvaging until you do. Think you can warp out and back? I have your accel gate bookmarked and will happily wait for you.

Still not engaging? Depending on your mission I'll bring my own big ship in and kill the structure/important rat and steal your mission loot.

If you try to fight back it doesn't matter how you're fit. My PVP ship will destroy you. I won't even show you my PVP ship until I have aggro on you with my little heron anyway.

I'd love for you to fly something like a Marauder because I can permajam you with my ECM drones. And by all means, bring a buddy. I can take multiple enemies on at once.

The best way to avoid something bad happening to you is to log off for an hour once someone like me shows up. Only way to lose my attention (scanning you guys down is annoying, so I'd rather spend 3 hours playing with you in your mission than probe someone else).


Bro, you should blog about it
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