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Mini-freighter?

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Silver Ott
#21 - 2012-04-11 15:43:58 UTC
id rather see a JF with a bigger cargohold
Brewlar Kuvakei
Adeptio Gloriae
#22 - 2012-04-11 16:38:08 UTC
Orca does need some rather bizzare and useless skills but then you could also get the tech II transport ship.
Henry Haphorn
Killer Yankee
#23 - 2012-04-11 17:08:19 UTC
@ OP,

No.

As Khenar pointed out already, the Orca is built specifically for this purpose. It has far greater advantages than the freighter could offer other than a massive cargo hold. In addition to Khenar's statement, the Orca's ship bay, ore hold, and corp hangar bay are only scannable by Concord meaning that players have no way of being able to scan what's on your Orca other than what's on the standard cargo hold that they can see in. On top of that, if the Orca dies, the loot NEVER drops and it NEVER shows up on the kill mail so gankers will not have a clue how much much ISK was lost. And with a seriously sick tank compared to the freighters, the Orca will survive most ganks even if attacked by 10 alpha-Tornadoes at once.

Not only that, the Orca and the Rorqual (it's low-sec brother) are the only two ships capable of operating three active gang links at once. All others will only operate one at a time unless fitted with certain modules that allow for more but take up precious slot space in the process.

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Raven Ether
Doomheim
#24 - 2012-04-11 17:55:53 UTC
Yeah, it's the Orca that fits this role nicely.
Aurel Svenson
Cyclone Solutions
#25 - 2012-04-11 18:04:35 UTC  |  Edited by: Aurel Svenson
The training is the biggest issue. Why throw away 37 days of training to get something that does a middling job of it? And then only 140,000m3 after all that?
Barakach
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#26 - 2012-04-11 18:09:03 UTC
Zifrian wrote:
Orca was created for this exact purpose.


Orca has quite a different skill hierarchy. Since the skills do no complement hauling, one can not consider the Orca a true hauler.
Ninyania alCladdyth
McLuvin AstroDynamics
#27 - 2012-04-11 18:09:53 UTC
Barakach wrote:
Zifrian wrote:
Orca was created for this exact purpose.


Orca has quite a different skill hierarchy. Since the skills do no complement hauling, one can not consider the Orca a true hauler.


But it "works".
Cedo Nulli
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#28 - 2012-04-11 18:29:09 UTC  |  Edited by: Cedo Nulli
Someone pointed out well that orca does need some skills that are very very bizarre idd and not useful for most that just want to haul stuff around.



Mini-freighter does have a purpose and orca is NOT the answer just because you can shoehorn it into that role.
Barakach
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#29 - 2012-04-11 18:32:49 UTC
Ninyania alCladdyth wrote:
Barakach wrote:
Zifrian wrote:
Orca was created for this exact purpose.


Orca has quite a different skill hierarchy. Since the skills do no complement hauling, one can not consider the Orca a true hauler.


But it "works".


A screwdriver can work like a hammer if you flip it around. Shoehorning something into a role it is not meant to be, means it's sub-optimal.

The Orca has a lot of features that are useless to a hauler but have a meta cost.

It's not a huge request. Get a few people to do some art work for the 4 races, then have a few people discus it's shield/armor/hull/storage/etc. Not a whole lot of time and it would make some of us happier.
Infinite Force
#30 - 2012-04-11 19:34:13 UTC
Barakach wrote:
Ninyania alCladdyth wrote:
Barakach wrote:
Zifrian wrote:
Orca was created for this exact purpose.


Orca has quite a different skill hierarchy. Since the skills do no complement hauling, one can not consider the Orca a true hauler.


But it "works".


A screwdriver can work like a hammer if you flip it around. Shoehorning something into a role it is not meant to be, means it's sub-optimal.

The Orca has a lot of features that are useless to a hauler but have a meta cost.

It's not a huge request. Get a few people to do some art work for the 4 races, then have a few people discus it's shield/armor/hull/storage/etc. Not a whole lot of time and it would make some of us happier.


This.

The OP is looking for a JF hull & capacity without the Jump capabilities or the JF price tag. I would love to see that.

Also, doesn't this belong in F&I?

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Celeritas 5k
Connoisseurs of Candid Coitus
#31 - 2012-04-12 01:27:39 UTC
Seconding the guys who say the orca doesn't fit this request-- I have no desire to train anything related to mining, but I still need to transport stuff too big for a regular hauler yet not worth a full size freighter. In a pinch you can throw mining lasers on a Rokh, but you sure as hell wouldn't use one over a hulk...
Aurel Svenson
Cyclone Solutions
#32 - 2012-04-12 11:24:27 UTC  |  Edited by: Aurel Svenson
I think the quotes on "works" were meant to indicate sarcasm.
KevLor I
Zephyr Corp
#33 - 2012-04-12 13:13:44 UTC
In the grand scheme of Eve, I can think of hundreds of other more useful things for CCP to be working on. If you need something bigger than an industrial, use a freighter. Moving lots of stuff is meant to be slow.
Lando Tarsadan
Doomheim
#34 - 2012-04-12 13:45:02 UTC
Henry Haphorn wrote:
@ OP,



Not only that, the Orca and the Rorqual (it's low-sec brother) are the only two ships capable of operating three active gang links at once. All others will only operate one at a time unless fitted with certain modules that allow for more but take up precious slot space in the process.


Quite wrong a command ship like the volture (and other races counterparts) can also fit 3 gang links.
Niko Takahashi
Yoshitomi Group
#35 - 2012-04-12 15:42:00 UTC
Can the orca fit the agility gang links ?

If yes then no middle freighter can beat this. It is fast can haul rigged ships plus nice sized cargo and ore on top.

If you need a faster freighter get the minmatar one.

Actually I regret my hauling alt trained for the gallente one.

The full capacity is rarely used so the minnie one fits the bill best sinceit is faster
The alt is training for the Orca now.
Henry Haphorn
Killer Yankee
#36 - 2012-04-12 17:45:18 UTC
Lando Tarsadan wrote:
Henry Haphorn wrote:
@ OP,



Not only that, the Orca and the Rorqual (it's low-sec brother) are the only two ships capable of operating three active gang links at once. All others will only operate one at a time unless fitted with certain modules that allow for more but take up precious slot space in the process.


Quite wrong a command ship like the volture (and other races counterparts) can also fit 3 gang links.


Three "active" gang links turned on at once without the assistance of extra modules to do that?

Adapt or Die
Barakach
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#37 - 2012-04-12 18:00:33 UTC
Aurel Svenson wrote:
I think the quotes on "works" were meant to indicate sarcasm.


I wasn't sure if it was sarcastic or "it technically works, so who cares".
Cedo Nulli
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#38 - 2012-04-12 18:52:26 UTC
This thread is about the idea and if its good or not ... not to discuss the CCP staffing and work priorities .. they have people actually to do that.

So try to keep focused on the actual issue .. and let CCP figure out the rest since I kinda think they know it better anyway.
Rimase
#39 - 2012-04-12 20:49:29 UTC
Modular Freighter for the solo haulers.

Multiple Transports for the team haulers. (Mercenary contracts)

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Bugsy VanHalen
Society of lost Souls
#40 - 2012-04-13 00:18:00 UTC
Reppyk wrote:
Tau Cabalander wrote:
Orca is slower than a freighter.
Freighter : warp in what, 45s ?
Orca : 10s to enter warp.

Moookaaaaaaaay.


Seriously??

An ORCA can only do the 10s warp if you pulse a MWD. To fit the MWD you sacrifice most of your tank.

So no, an ORCA fit for hauling capacity with a good tank is much slower than a freighter.

I have and use both. ORCA sucks as a hauler. The only situation an ORCA makes a good hauler is when hauling high value low volume stuff in the corp hanger with a maxed tank fit. Every other situation a freighter is superior. I have three characters trained to fly freighters and only one to fly ORCA. Only time I haul with the ORCA is on mining ops.