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Dear CCP, Please STOP REUSING Historical Items for Sales & Marketing Promotions

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Cearain
Plus 10 NV
#121 - 2012-04-05 15:39:48 UTC
The Antiquarian wrote:
I love you CCP, but are you guys not responding because you guys are planning on re-issuing these old historical items in the future for other Sales & Marketing promotions?



CCP specifically said that these items we received for the fanfest hd stream were "exclusive." That means this was the only place you will be able to get them. I will assume they were truthful in their advertising until I see otherwise.

Make faction war occupancy pvp instead of pve https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=53815&#post53815

The Antiquarian
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#122 - 2012-04-05 16:53:44 UTC
Cearain wrote:
The Antiquarian wrote:
I love you CCP, but are you guys not responding because you guys are planning on re-issuing these old historical items in the future for other Sales & Marketing promotions?



CCP specifically said that these items we received for the fanfest hd stream were "exclusive." That means this was the only place you will be able to get them. I will assume they were truthful in their advertising until I see otherwise.


Hey, I wish it was that simple but check out this devblog regarding the initial sale of the "Boxed EVE Online: Commissioned Edition:"

CCP Dev states the following regarding the Cerebral Accelerator: "This edition has been specifically designed to help a new player get up-to-speed. The exclusive in-game item this time is a booster called the Cerebral Accelerator. It boosts a number of player stats in a very meaningful way, but only temporarily. The Cerebral Accelerator checks the age of your character, counted from character creation date. It is designed to boost your first 30 days in EVE Online. If your character is 14 days old when you use the Cerebral Accelerator, you will only get 16 more days of boost."

The Devblog clearly stated that it is an exclusive item. Well... except the fact that its awesome "exclusiveness" lasted for only half a year. CCP decided to hand those out for "Power of 2" and as part of their Annual Christmas promotions."

Imagine... I went out to the damn Gamestop to purchase three copies of this awesome Commissioned Boxed Sets to obtain these unique Cerebral Accelarators under the premise that these are "EXCLUSIVE" to the specified purchases. I was pretty furious when it only took six months of waiting for EVERYONE ELSE to GET IT FOR FREE!

CCP needs to be ABSOLUTELY CLEAR about the word "exclusiveness" because I want to avoid the situation where I purchase something for the market value of $40 and later, find out that I can just get those for free or for merely the fraction of its initial cost.
Roll Sizzle Beef
Space Mutiny
#123 - 2012-04-05 17:46:42 UTC
The Antiquarian wrote:
exclusive


Can simply be defined as limited. And when there are no blueprints and no way to gather more within-game and without a inexhaustible repeatable method, they are still limited.

Cerebral Accelerator is a perfect tool for CCP to ship more units during low seasons. As limited and exclusive as a Cadbury Creme Egg.

Yet since this is internet spaceships. They should put more value on limited collectors ships. Yet as a business they can not possibly reply with a definite answer as to how limited any one gift might be compared to another as their value as an incentive could always potentially change. I just would like to think their new tech built within the game will give them more options. With fanfest and localized client gifts have recently proven they are using the potential of the new skinning system.
Josefius
13th Tribe of Kobol Expeditionary
#124 - 2012-04-05 17:57:54 UTC
I wonder what they are going to do with the Interbus Shuttle, it used to be yellow, now it looks butt ugly. I guess so no one would want one.

You have enemies? Good, that means you stood up for something, sometime in your life.

-Winston Churchill

Gogela
Epic Ganking Time
CODE.
#125 - 2012-04-05 19:03:04 UTC
Josefius wrote:
I wonder what they are going to do with the Interbus Shuttle, it used to be yellow, now it looks butt ugly. I guess so no one would want one.

I do. ...and I have several. It's a "classic" Gallente shuttle! Who WOULDN'T want one? You pretty much have to have one to get into the Gallente Lowriders Spaceship Appreciation Association (GLSAA).

Signatures should be used responsibly...

Josefius
13th Tribe of Kobol Expeditionary
#126 - 2012-04-05 19:06:52 UTC
Gogela wrote:
Josefius wrote:
I wonder what they are going to do with the Interbus Shuttle, it used to be yellow, now it looks butt ugly. I guess so no one would want one.

I do. ...and I have several. It's a "classic" Gallente shuttle! Who WOULDN'T want one? You pretty much have to have one to get into the Gallente Lowriders Spaceship Appreciation Association (GLSAA).


I have one, it came with my Apocrypha box I bought back in 2009. I still have it, just not happy with the color change. It's too subdued to me, but oh well.

You have enemies? Good, that means you stood up for something, sometime in your life.

-Winston Churchill

Gogela
Epic Ganking Time
CODE.
#127 - 2012-04-05 21:13:19 UTC
Josefius wrote:
Gogela wrote:
Josefius wrote:
I wonder what they are going to do with the Interbus Shuttle, it used to be yellow, now it looks butt ugly. I guess so no one would want one.

I do. ...and I have several. It's a "classic" Gallente shuttle! Who WOULDN'T want one? You pretty much have to have one to get into the Gallente Lowriders Spaceship Appreciation Association (GLSAA).


I have one, it came with my Apocrypha box I bought back in 2009. I still have it, just not happy with the color change. It's too subdued to me, but oh well.

Subdued? It's orange and white! The new standard gallente shuttle is olive drab. I like the pop of the old shuttles colors, tbqh... and it reminds me of countless hours flying gallente shuttles around empire when I was newer (and allowed in empire)

Signatures should be used responsibly...

Ris Dnalor
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
#128 - 2012-04-08 03:43:55 UTC
The Antiquarian wrote:
Originally part of "Please Stop Reusing Old Historical Ingame Items in Sales Promotions" Thread.

Update: Quafe Iteron.

In order to incentivize the players to attend the Fanfest 2012 or view the HD stream version of the Fanfest, CCP is handing out a revised version of Quafe T-Shirts AND a unique Quafe Iteron Transport.

My question is, is this going to be another victim of CCP's marketing ploy? Are we going to see this unique Quafe Iteron being offered as 2013 "CCP's New Year Gift?" Like what you guys did with Apotheosis? Zephyr? Echelon? Primae?

I guarantee you that either the attendance rate for the Fanfest or the subscribers for the HD Stream will increase if you assure the players that these items are available only through these venues and never again in the future.

CCP, please listen to us.


In an effort to boost sales of its PLEXs and increase in membership subscriptions, CCP has recently introduced diverse plethora of promotions. Nothing is wrong with that. We all encourage that.

The only problem is that CCP is reusing the old collectible items from previous historical events. As part of the the "Power of 2" program, Apotheosis, a ship of great sentimental value, is being offered as added bonus. For those who are not familiar with the ship, it was a very special version of shuttle offered to all the active users to commemorate the 5th year of the game. Although the ship's market value is only around 15M-20M, it has a great sentimental values to ardent supporters of EVE Online who have been with the game for many many years. Reusing the ship of such historical and sentimental values only devalues the ship' worth and cheapen the memories and experiences of the original holders of the ships.

As part of the "bringing new players initiative," CCP also decided to reuse the Cerebral Accelerator, a unique implant given as part of purchasing the commemorative "Commissioned Officer Edition." The same logic applies to the Accelerator as well. There are some extremely foolish people (like me) who purchased these boxes for the sake of obtaining the unique implant as collectibles. Reusing these items for other promotion only cheapens the sentimental values and experience associated with obtaining the items.

I understand that the magnitude of the issue that I've pointed is nothing compared to other more urgent ingame problems, but it would be nice to not see these historical and sentimental items being recycled through by CCP in the near future. Is it so hard to create different items (different names/IDs), but with same skin/properties for these promotional events? By doing so, the sentimental values of the already existing items would be retained while creating new demands for the new items.


Please release NEW ITEMS instead of recycling old historical items in current/future promotional events.



Yes, because once a ship has been built in a limited run, there's no way we could possibly have the technology to ever create more.

And what's further, a shuttle that sells for a measly 15 million... meh, who would ever have any incentive to do so?

So, as you can see, it's completely immersion breaking for more of these ships to ever appear.


BAH

CCP, please don't feed the collectors. In fact, make every ship build-able. even if it's only thru reverse-engineering the original ship, and only has a 1 in a billion chance of being successful ( thinking for alliance rewards ). But all things should be player made, and all things should be make-able by the players. Do that, and you won't have to listen to any of these threads ever again.

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=118961

EvE = Everybody Vs. Everybody

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The Antiquarian
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#129 - 2012-04-08 13:42:51 UTC
Are we asking for too much here? Just a simple Dev response...

EVE Online symbolizes "sandbox" game. Please value our "collecting" profession as well!
Meryl SinGarda
Belligerent Underpaid Tactical Team
#130 - 2012-04-08 15:57:17 UTC
I both agree and disagree.

I agree, because I like the fact that I have valuable items.

I disagree, because eventually, like everything, EVE will come to an end and these items will mean nothing, anyway. Plus, these are also the kind of topics you see on the WoW forums. And we know what kind of people post on those forums.

The Antiquarian
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#131 - 2012-04-08 16:31:12 UTC
Meryl SinGarda wrote:
I both agree and disagree.

I agree, because I like the fact that I have valuable items.

I disagree, because eventually, like everything, EVE will come to an end and these items will mean nothing, anyway. Plus, these are also the kind of topics you see on the WoW forums. And we know what kind of people post on those forums.



EVE will never come to an end! I envision EVE to continue until at least I have three grand children.

EVE Forever!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GI53ydJaus8&feature=plcp&context=C4b83c82VDvjVQa1PpcFOEzQi5G2x0m1PbVjAe21rKR0FdjQFPWGU%3D
Meryl SinGarda
Belligerent Underpaid Tactical Team
#132 - 2012-04-08 16:34:40 UTC
The Antiquarian wrote:
Meryl SinGarda wrote:
I both agree and disagree.

I agree, because I like the fact that I have valuable items.

I disagree, because eventually, like everything, EVE will come to an end and these items will mean nothing, anyway. Plus, these are also the kind of topics you see on the WoW forums. And we know what kind of people post on those forums.



EVE will never come to an end! I envision EVE to continue until at least I have three grand children.

EVE Forever!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GI53ydJaus8&feature=plcp&context=C4b83c82VDvjVQa1PpcFOEzQi5G2x0m1PbVjAe21rKR0FdjQFPWGU%3D


That's what I'd like to imagine. I mean, I can't really see the game ending any time soon (regardless of doomsayers) but it's a crap part of reality. :/
The Antiquarian
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#133 - 2012-04-12 16:43:34 UTC
What does it take to get a Dev's response regarding this issue?
Gogela
Epic Ganking Time
CODE.
#134 - 2012-04-12 21:20:44 UTC
The Antiquarian wrote:
What does it take to get a Dev's response regarding this issue?

I don't think an issue has been adequately defined. The Aquamarine edition iteron is a good sign they are not simply re-releasing the same ships over and over again. Nobody was too happy about that (that cared about the topic at all). Still, they can put any content into the game they want. I have a Guardian-Vexor. Cost 39 bil. If they released a bunch more that would definitely hurt the resale on mine, but could it happen? Sure. Maybe a Guardian-Vex will be in a serpentis lp store at some point. It would be perfectly logical to do that. When you buy a unique ship those are the chances you take. Now, there are exceptions, particularly when you consider lore and methods of distribution. For instance, releasing more Freki assault ships would be in pretty poor taste since they were awarded for the AT VII. It wasn't a generic issue... it was just for AT VII. The state raven on the other hand, despite being an AT award, could end up on the Caldari LP store because it isn't branded with a specific event. The Echelon and Primae re-issues would have been easier to swallow had they not put in the Apotheosis as an option. Again, the Apotheosis was given for a specific non-repeating event. The other two are a little more generic. Again, I don't have an outright problem with wider ship offerings of unique ships. I just don't like that it's done arbitrarily. There's zero thought in the process from CCPs end and that is annoying. If they are going to re-issue Echelons, for example, why the hell not the Gold Magnate?

Signatures should be used responsibly...

Cearain
Plus 10 NV
#135 - 2012-04-12 23:44:24 UTC
Roll Sizzle Beef wrote:
The Antiquarian wrote:
exclusive


Can simply be defined as limited.


Limited to exclusively to that source sure. If you start adding other sources they might still "limitted" but they are no longer "exclusive".

By saying something is exclusive to a particular promotion and then Willy Milly releasing it in others they just lose credibility due to extreme lazyness. At least tweak the item. Don't just rename it and throw it out there again.

Make faction war occupancy pvp instead of pve https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=53815&#post53815

Gogela
Epic Ganking Time
CODE.
#136 - 2012-04-13 00:50:37 UTC
Cearain wrote:
Roll Sizzle Beef wrote:
The Antiquarian wrote:
exclusive


Can simply be defined as limited.


Limited to exclusively to that source sure. If you start adding other sources they might still "limitted" but they are no longer "exclusive".

By saying something is exclusive to a particular promotion and then Willy Milly releasing it in others they just lose credibility due to extreme lazyness. At least tweak the item. Don't just rename it and throw it out there again.

I totally agree. That is bulls***.

Signatures should be used responsibly...

Cearain
Plus 10 NV
#137 - 2012-04-13 02:29:32 UTC
Joran Dravius wrote:
OP, it was free. Stop whining.


You got yours for free?

I paid a plex for mine. I paid for some exclusive internet spaceships and t-shirts along with an high definition version of a free internet stream. Given that the internet streams were pretty much just talking heads i think most people were like me and bought it for the exclusive items.

Make faction war occupancy pvp instead of pve https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=53815&#post53815

Cearain
Plus 10 NV
#138 - 2012-04-16 03:52:28 UTC
Gogela wrote:
The Antiquarian wrote:
What does it take to get a Dev's response regarding this issue?

I don't think an issue has been adequately defined. The Aquamarine edition iteron is a good sign they are not simply re-releasing the same ships over and over again. Nobody was too happy about that (that cared about the topic at all). Still, they can put any content into the game they want. I have a Guardian-Vexor. Cost 39 bil. If they released a bunch more that would definitely hurt the resale on mine, but could it happen? Sure. Maybe a Guardian-Vex will be in a serpentis lp store at some point. It would be perfectly logical to do that. When you buy a unique ship those are the chances you take. Now, there are exceptions, particularly when you consider lore and methods of distribution. For instance, releasing more Freki assault ships would be in pretty poor taste since they were awarded for the AT VII. It wasn't a generic issue... it was just for AT VII. The state raven on the other hand, despite being an AT award, could end up on the Caldari LP store because it isn't branded with a specific event. The Echelon and Primae re-issues would have been easier to swallow had they not put in the Apotheosis as an option. Again, the Apotheosis was given for a specific non-repeating event. The other two are a little more generic. Again, I don't have an outright problem with wider ship offerings of unique ships. I just don't like that it's done arbitrarily. There's zero thought in the process from CCPs end and that is annoying. If they are going to re-issue Echelons, for example, why the hell not the Gold Magnate?



Again I guess I just see this as pretty straigt forward.

If they say something will be offered exclusively from a certain source then they should keep their word. If they don't say it will be exclusive then they can release it from other sources.

It appears they have called one thing (the cerebral accellerator) excusive in the past and released again from a different source. It appears the players called them out for this. Now that they know at least some of us really expect them to hold true to this I will wait and see. If they release these fanfest items from another source not only will I never participate in any other fanfest feeds, but I will no longer be a fan at all of the company at all.

As of right know I understand that yes they resold the cerebal accellerator. I will chalk that up as the left hand not realizing what the right hand had promised years ago. So I will cut them some slack. On the whole I consider ccp to be a very honest business. I tend to think adding that thing as a christmas gift was just a last minute throw in that wasn't thought through very well - as opposed to any intent to mislead people. The reason I think this is because I have found ccp devs gms and employees to generally be well above the curve in honesty.

But I think they know now. If they continue to try to sell services or products based on false claims exclusive items when they have no real intent to make them exclusive - well that is just a dishonest business practice.

Make faction war occupancy pvp instead of pve https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=53815&#post53815

The Antiquarian
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#139 - 2012-04-24 17:30:02 UTC  |  Edited by: The Antiquarian
How do I entice the devs to respond to this thread?

CCP announced the rewards being offered POST INFERNO patch. Does that mean they will be recycling the old historical items AGAIN? and Again?
Roll Sizzle Beef
Space Mutiny
#140 - 2012-04-24 17:38:07 UTC
The Antiquarian wrote:
How do I entice the devs to respond to this thread?


Waits for a Punkturis troll.