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Kattshiro
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#21 - 2012-04-10 14:53:45 UTC
Lol welcome to modern economics == voodoo magic, and prices based upon a guess/belief. Allegedly there are less minerals now... However they didn't erase minerals/ice with the bot ban just took isk/got ride of characters. So people jack up prices.
Misanthra
Alternative Enterprises
#22 - 2012-04-10 15:10:34 UTC  |  Edited by: Misanthra
Sonny Dang wrote:
Roime wrote:
Without any stats to prove my gut feeling, I'd guess one reason to rising prices is also renewed interest in flying spaceships- general demand has gone up and the supply has not yet caught up.

In any case the margins are better, which would support my theory.

I like higher ship prices. In theory, it would tame the power creep and make small, cheap ships more common, making PVP more accessible to newer players. Yes, frigs & cruisers would be more expensive for noobs, but at least they would have the skills to fly the same ships as others.

Currently BC seems to be the minimal standard, I would like to see cruisers as the new line ship in smaller fleets.

I also like higher ship prices for personal wallet reasons Cool


I think higher ships prices is only gonna discourage new players from pvping and lure them into carebaring. With a lower price they will be more willing to attempt pvp and even if they lose their ships, they will be more willing to buy a new just because they will be more likely able to afford it.

And if you like higher prices just so you can burn isk in your wallet because you're rich then i have nothing to say.



Its jsut good ole fsahion eve speculation. New patch, new speculation. this time they jsut had a bust to make it higher. PLus I thnk its jsut a smatter of speculation about the goon player event. they and their victims will need ships, don't want to haul fleets up from 0.0....charge a bit more at the event site and see how many bites you get. Prices will drop in time. By the summer at least when all the kiddies are out of school (therefore more free time for some to spam mining to stabilize markets).
Muad 'dib
State War Academy
Caldari State
#23 - 2012-04-10 16:59:51 UTC
CCP needs to boost minerals in ore like 50%+ make it profitable for the average miner to make money, bots were mining all the mins because mining is dull and not profitable unless you have a bajillion accounts.

double the mins from all ores already!

Cosmic signature detected. . . . http://i.imgur.com/Z7NfIS6.jpg I got 99 likes, and this post aint one.
Skippermonkey
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#24 - 2012-04-10 17:08:03 UTC
Muad 'dib wrote:
CCP needs to boost minerals in ore like 50%+ make it profitable for the average miner to make money, bots were mining all the mins because mining is dull and not profitable unless you have a bajillion accounts.

double the mins from all ores already!


You are terrible

If you double the ores, it just means the bots have double also and all you have achieved is flooding the market with more ore

(flooding the market with ore wouldnt actually be a bad thing right about now really)

COME AT ME BRO

I'LL JUST BE DOCKED IN THIS STATION
Traejun DiSanctis
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#25 - 2012-04-10 18:23:35 UTC
Skippermonkey wrote:
Muad 'dib wrote:
CCP needs to boost minerals in ore like 50%+ make it profitable for the average miner to make money, bots were mining all the mins because mining is dull and not profitable unless you have a bajillion accounts.

double the mins from all ores already!


You are terrible

If you double the ores, it just means the bots have double also and all you have achieved is flooding the market with more ore

(flooding the market with ore wouldnt actually be a bad thing right about now really)


That ^^^

It's all a matter of perspective. If you're a miner, ore trader or industrialist (producer), you like the current state of the economy. Less supply drives up your prices. Miner friends of mind are making as much as 50% more per hour in hi sec than they did just 6 months ago.

If you're a combat pilot (consumer), you hate this crap.
Liang Nuren
No Salvation
Divine Damnation
#26 - 2012-04-10 20:22:59 UTC
Hulkageddon can't come soon enough. GSF offering 100M per 10 ganked Hulks...

:swoon:

-Liang

I'm an idiot, don't mind me.
Corina Jarr
en Welle Shipping Inc.
#27 - 2012-04-10 23:13:20 UTC
On the plus side, min prices will plummet after people start dumping their stocks (likely after the expansion). After which the cycle will continue until an equilibrium is found.

Its going to be a chaotic summer.
Lost Greybeard
Drunken Yordles
#28 - 2012-04-10 23:33:44 UTC
Kneebone wrote:
(I wont get into the rammifications of banning people using time already bought and paid for, but they have the vale of it being an in game item).



I'm curious about this comment. In what situation would being banned from a subscription-based game not cause you to lose time you'd already paid for? I know for sure that ToS for Rift, WoW, SW:ToR and WAR all explicitly state that you won't be reimbursed for time lost due to a ban or suspension, why exactly are you suggesting that Eve should be different?

Or, since is the internet, how about a bad car analogy? If you rent a car, use it to rob a bank, and the cops arrest you and return the car to the owner, you're not going to get compensated for the fact that you rented it for a month and only got to use it for a couple days. Deal.
Kattshiro
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#29 - 2012-04-11 01:15:57 UTC
Liang Nuren wrote:
Hulkageddon can't come soon enough. GSF offering 100M per 10 ganked Hulks...

:swoon:

-Liang



Really? You got a link... I'm not doubting, but i'd like to link for corpies.
Jojo Jackson
Dead Red Eye
#30 - 2012-04-11 05:06:43 UTC
Drew Solaert wrote:
Basically in a nutshell we have 3 major factors pushing up mineral prices right now

The first was the massive bot bannings, which lowered the mineral supply somewhat.

The second is the April 24th patch removing drone alloys and meta 0 modules, and because of this a lot of people have been bulk buying minerals in speculation

The final factor is Hulkageddon V is coming, normally wouldn't have too much of an impact on the run up, but with the other two points, we have a kind of perfect storm situation going on.

Just from the "catched in chat channels" the biggest part are the trade-speculations.

I know several "big ISK guys" who bought massive amounts of all ore.

Why the hell can't I fitt capital repairs or shield booster on an Orca ... it's an CAPITAL ship!
Barrak
The Painted Ones
#31 - 2012-04-11 09:32:44 UTC
Drew Solaert wrote:
Basically in a nutshell we have 3 major factors pushing up mineral prices right now

The first was the massive bot bannings, which lowered the mineral supply somewhat.

The second is the April 24th patch removing drone alloys and meta 0 modules, and because of this a lot of people have been bulk buying minerals in speculation

The final factor is Hulkageddon V is coming, normally wouldn't have too much of an impact on the run up, but with the other two points, we have a kind of perfect storm situation going on.



'kin love this game.


No other MMO's have this sheet..........
Liang Nuren
No Salvation
Divine Damnation
#32 - 2012-04-11 17:07:46 UTC
Kattshiro wrote:
Liang Nuren wrote:
Hulkageddon can't come soon enough. GSF offering 100M per 10 ganked Hulks...

:swoon:

-Liang



Really? You got a link... I'm not doubting, but i'd like to link for corpies.


http://www.machine9.net/?p=820

I'm an idiot, don't mind me.
Kattshiro
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#33 - 2012-04-11 21:00:05 UTC
Liang Nuren wrote:
Kattshiro wrote:
Liang Nuren wrote:
Hulkageddon can't come soon enough. GSF offering 100M per 10 ganked Hulks...

:swoon:

-Liang



Really? You got a link... I'm not doubting, but i'd like to link for corpies.


http://www.machine9.net/?p=820



Mother of god!... Must double check dessie level, and buy up some BPC's.
Traejun DiSanctis
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#34 - 2012-04-11 21:08:10 UTC  |  Edited by: Traejun DiSanctis
Kattshiro wrote:
Liang Nuren wrote:
Kattshiro wrote:
Liang Nuren wrote:
Hulkageddon can't come soon enough. GSF offering 100M per 10 ganked Hulks...

:swoon:

-Liang



Really? You got a link... I'm not doubting, but i'd like to link for corpies.


http://www.machine9.net/?p=820



Mother of god!... Must double check dessie level, and buy up some BPC's.


Every wanna-be PvPer and 1M sp alt will have the same idea. The chances of actually getting to something before some other gang will be minimal.

Plus, i predict gangs will begin popping each other over kills.

EDIT: Just re-read your post. I see what you're staying. I have the same idea. Getting ready to flood the market/contracts with Rifters, Thrashers and Cormorants.
Wacktopia
Fleet-Up.com
Keep It Simple Software Group
#35 - 2012-04-11 21:18:26 UTC
Sonny Dang wrote:
Why is the price of all ships suddenly so damn highQuestion

I get why the price of T3 BCs are going up but the rest?

Hyperion used to be 175m now it is 250m?
Myrm used to be 40m now 57m?
etc. (all based on Jita price)

How long do you think this price spike in ships is going to last?


No way! I have some ships been thinking of selling for ages and now is the perfect time. Sweet dude sweet.

Kitchen sink? Seriousy, get your ship together -  Fleet-Up.com
Cipher Jones
The Thomas Edwards Taco Tuesday All Stars
#36 - 2012-04-11 22:15:00 UTC
Daniel Plain wrote:
right now, a lone hulk can still only get to about 10mil/h, on the other side, the low/null ores are actually becoming a lot more lucrative again.


You have no clue what you are talking about whatsoever.

internet spaceships

are serious business sir.

and don't forget it
Zaitoun Somalian
Lucid Demeanour
#37 - 2012-04-12 20:12:56 UTC
I'm interested in how the rising ship prices are going to influence fleet and small gang tactics and strategy.


Zait
Liang Nuren
No Salvation
Divine Damnation
#38 - 2012-04-12 20:24:46 UTC  |  Edited by: Liang Nuren
Zaitoun Somalian wrote:
I'm interested in how the rising ship prices are going to influence fleet and small gang tactics and strategy.


Zait


I suspect we'll see a strong increase in the number of faction (not pirate) cruisers as their price falls in relation to BCs and the price of T2 continues to skyrocket.

-Liang

I'm an idiot, don't mind me.
Kalli Brixzat
#39 - 2012-04-12 20:27:39 UTC
Zaitoun Somalian wrote:
I'm interested in how the rising ship prices are going to influence fleet and small gang tactics and strategy.

Zait


I can give you two:

1. Low- and hi-sec gangs will use cheaper ships/mods (to offset the increased cost of loss).
2. Gangs will try harder to get someone to eject as a method of ransom ("give us your ship or we pop it...and your pod").
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