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Wardec him - so that he has to quit CCP every evening and then rejoin in the morning every time he commutes to work. The HR will love it.

I've been a fairly neutral Player to Eve, which is to say I enjoy the PvE aspects as well as the PvP ones. I heard about some of the proposed changes in game and had to come see for myself. A lot of what I read I thought was pretty sweet, but I can clearly see where the major flaws are as many posts in this thread have highlighted. The main arguements of cost and being forced into a War people don't want. Heh, leave it to CCP to **** off both sides at the same time! Clearly there's things that are very wrong, and they are Blatantly Wrong... Really makes one curious if there was a Biased thought process here. What cracks me up, in reading the arguements in this thread... The PvPers seemed focused on a proper fix to work for all parties, allowing for possible War control changes to give the "Defender" a way out through Attrition; while all the Carebears just argueto place an even greater block to ever getting Wardecced in the first place, as if the Astronomical cost Hike wasn't absurdly enough to deter wars altogether anyway. It amazes me that right or wrong how people selfishly and stubbornly make a stand... Even in the face of ruining a great Spaceship Game. To you sorry saps... Shame on you. To you CCP, this is a big task you're taking on... You better not stay or grow more ignorant (as being portrayed with a lack of communication), for the wolves will certainly be upon you. As one Dev at FanFest noted "We skim the forums and read enough to get the jist of it and move on." maybe that's ok for some Forums, but I think this Topic and the Life of Eve demands more Attention than what has so far been provided.

Hopefully not! At least not if you bother to take the time to read and comprehend what the game is about before playing it.

I actually secretly hope they implement it in the most abusive way possible and a ton of people quit and EVE dies because of it so i can quit too :)

Yep, he's absolutely Right. Eve is Cold and Relentless... It's a Fraking Space Game... That's what we've All dreamt about since we first saw Star Trek, Star Wars, Bladerunner, Battlestar Galactica, SG1, etc. Tell me in which of those movies/shows was a Carebear the main, or hell, a supporting Character?  Guess you could Argue Uncle Owen and Aunt Beru in Star Wars Ep 4, but look at what happened to them! Stormtroopers shot them up into chard corpses! At least in space your corpse won't smell. The War Engine is what drives Eve and all of us are Fuel to burn for it!  Only difference among us is the Type of fuel you are: Low grade, mid, hich octane, or a workhorse Diesel? How long will you last until you burn out? And if your desire is to never be fuel for the engine then what good are you? Surely, you'll never be missed, moochers never are. Farewell to you sir.

If goonswarm is going to start declaring wars on people in highsec I'll make a list of targets for you.

Alliances don't have a limit bro.

Way to understand war mechanics.

Sure! I think we'll be looking for the Indahmawar-like corps who will squeal in outrage and agony delightfully.

Whoops :) That's giga skewed then. Wardec cost should be a function of a sum of member count of aggressor + defender.

There's always choices or at least they're ought to be, but yes sometimes there's no recourse to a desirable outcome. That's what separates posters on these issues, not PvP vs PvE, but acceptance of the Sandbox game model, the desire for infinite possibilities including failure. Game's like WoW don't really have an losers, they don't let you fail. A good Sandbox MMORPG has to have the possibility of failure, or there being losers. It's what makes the game exciting and challenging vs stale and predictable. I've been at the receiving end of losing in these games like in Shadowbane where my Clan (corp) and alliance got zerged off the server, we made a fight of it, but really we had no chance and knew it. However, that still ranks as one of the most memorable gaming experiences I've had. In some ways it definitely sucked seeing the city you built razed to the ground, but ultimately I had a good time. There needs to be an investment in the game and the real possibility of loss, and sadly some gamers here just don't get that and likely never will.

And before someone says well that's fine for you, but we just want to do our own thing and be left alone.. or words to that effect. You're either part of a gaming world like this or you're not. There's no middle ground, by allowing you to PvE and PvP on the markets but be immune from combat PvP your asking to have the cake and eat it, to affect other player's gameplay but demanding immunity from others affecting your own.


Saying "this game isn't for me" would be the most sensible thing Indahmawar ever posted on these forums. There is indeed nothing wrong with that.