Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Set up a frig tourny then? it's not hard to do.

I've done one before when I used to work for a publication and was a great success.

This. If you want it to happen, just do it, there's nothing at all stopping you.

Edit: And it doesn't need to be controlled by the game. If you take it out of the players' hands then it's no longer part of the sandbox. The regulation should be the organizer blacklisting people who don't follow the rules, that's all you need.

I guess I was not clear on what I was saying I did not explicitly say that only was there to be frig tournaments, it is a push forward with current tournaments just with more modes and more accessibility for players. Even carrier tournaments could be implemented, and the different modes I listed. A bit of code just needs to look through ship types and numbers or modules for each, it would not be hard to code.

Set tournaments have been documented throughout history part of any society, and if you don't say the world is a sandbox I do not see where you are coming from.

If you looked more closely at the skill system you'd realize that more SP =/= better player/PvPer.

Only a certain amount of skills affect any one ship, weapon, mod, and/or rig at any given time (e.g. I have the skill Large Hybrid Turret at level 5... it does not affect the skill Small Hybrid Turret at all) and all skills cap out at 5.
If a newbie were to train up his/her "core skills" and then some frigate-centric skills (which takes no more than 2, MAYBE 3 months)... he/she is going to be JUST as capable (character skillwise at least) as a 5 year veteran in a Frig on Frig battle.


With that out of the way... Not Supported. I dislike "instancing" in any way, shape, or form.

If two cowboys are having a shootout in the lawless wild west, there is no magical force field in the world that prevents a third from coming in and shooting them both while their backs are turned. We don't need such a force field in Eve either.

Organize your own tournament in hisec and you can have free policing. Conduct it at a safe spot to discourage neutrals from interfering. Do it in an unpopulated system to have better control over the presence of gang boosters.

Solve your own problems, don't ask CCP to do it for you.

This does not allow for the different PVP modes, does not allow ranking, and I was more refering to Roman Gladiator set tournaments, or even looking at modern UFC or boxing, is a set fight with rules. Low sec/Null sec can be used for anything other than it, just like less developed countries :D.

Can also give militia a chance to have a tournament style from each faction.

if they add a substantial cost to this kind of tournament, I would agree.
So lets say 500 mil for such one would be ok, otherwise eve will get flooded with tournaments for easy security.
Not liking at all.

What? There are PvP modes?

Killmails and spreadsheets.

Nothing stops a boxer from concealing a knife in his glove other than the threat of disqualification, which as contest organizer you can already wield.

And, so far as "organized tournaments" go, look at how CCP's officially sanctioned, organized, and very restricted alliance tournament ended up: with doctored matches because of the metagame. Chaos reigns in Eve. Learn to rein it in and you can achieve your objective, but new features and shoehorned instanced areas are not a solution that will be implemented, nor one you can count on even if it is.

This is a sore subject for forum posters, but a much needed part of this game.

PVP means different things to different players. Lose the Sandbox logic (since sand must be in a box to be contained), it doesn't exist complelely open anyway.

We Need a "PVP LITE" system period. Why PVP pros are scared of this I have no idea, other than they like to gank and that's their fun zone. Otherwise, let civil people play PVP as well. People who won't throw the monopoly ship at you once they win.

I'm all for the OP's post and hope CCP will see a bit of PVE/PVP mix in the future. Where you can fight another player without fighting his gang of friends as well.

We do not need a "PvP Lite" system. Imbalance is inherent in Eve combat, and has always been. When you take a gang of 10 Drakes out, you do so in the knowledge that you might run into 1 Hurricane, 10 Hurricanes, or 50 Hurricanes. You do your best to find the former, avoid the latter, and handle the middle one properly.

"PvP Lite" would allow you to automatically pick engagements "of your own size" that are balanced by some weird arcane system that can probably be gamed. That means that, when people look for PvP, they will have to pick between:

1. Current "sandbox" PvP system. Hunting for and fighting an unknown enemy that has a chance a) to be a hunter himself, b) to not be found/show up, or c) to be a trap.
2. "PvP Lite" system. Fighting someone who (by arbitrary balancing rules) supposedly cannot utterly overpower or outsmart you.

Most people would pick (2). Why? Because "fair fights" are notoriously easy to game. Some examples:

Alliance Tournament. How many gimmicky fits and gang formations were present there that would never ever work in a sandbox environment? How many ship fittings were in use that were only popular because that ship cost too few "points"? How many arbitrary rules (like "maximum 2 logistics") had to be enforced to prevent weird auto-win gang setups? How many times more would these issues be magnified if matches like those were open to everyone?

The same people romping about in Drake blobs now would be setting up "meta" gimmicky gang setups to be "pro pvpers" by winning all of these "fair" fights.

FW complexes. This is another example of ham-fisted "fair" fights. You're a newbie in a Rifter wanting to capture this complex? Here, have a Slicer or a Dramiel that comes in to try to gank you. No, your friend in his Claw can't come help, because T2 frigates are arbitrarily not allowed since they're "too powerful" (but the Dramiel isn't).

1v1s. Sure, let's have a Merlin vs Rifter fight. Little do you know that my Merlin has faction fittings, a deadspace shield booster, I have a Crystal implant set and am popping a Blue Pill, and have my neutral Tengu alt in system boosting my shield resistances and shield boosters. That is a totally fair fight.

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There is no "fair" in Eve. Assuming competence on both sides, if you're in a fight where you didn't have an ace up your sleeve, or your opponent already knew your whole hand, then you're about to lose horribly. Learning to deal with that is a large part of PvPing. An arena or "PvP lite" cheapens and dilutes all of that, and makes the already-too-sparse PvP population even sparser.


Edit: I can't believe I explained that yet again. Sigh...