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PVP getting hurt by the changes?
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Rico Minali
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#41 - 2012-04-12 16:18:17 UTC
DonHel wrote:
no, we will just fly cheaper ships



This ^^

Also, pvp wont get hurt, what are getting hurt are bott bottoms and drone region bottoms. And its about time.

Trust me, I almost know what I'm doing.
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
Vae. Victis.
#42 - 2012-04-12 16:19:50 UTC
Zyress wrote:
Darth Gustav wrote:
Honestly, you can't pay attention and be safe in Empire?


Nobody is red in Highsec to you unless they are in a wardec against you or they have a worse than -5 security status. You can pay attention in high sec and avoid wardeccers, you can see when someone with a worse than -5 sec status enters the system, though until he's on grid with you, you don't know if like most of those guys he's just in a pod. You can pay attention for probes in the case that they are trying to get a warp in on you, but no beyond staying aligned as much as possible and hoping you can warp out before they can disrupt you, there is no intel channel to tell you there are incoming hostiles, and no way to know who is a ganker till they target you.


Blatantly untrue.

You have the same capability to work together, form intel channels, set standings, use EVE voice, use directional scans, have scouts, etc. as players have in Null sec to ensure your safety.

You choose not to do so.

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Shadowsword
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#43 - 2012-04-12 16:21:05 UTC
Super Chair wrote:
PvP with consequences, imagine that


Second that. Today pvp is too cheap, I don't have the adrenaline spike I had back in 2004, when using a BS in pvp was putting a week-end of farming on the line.
Zyress
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#44 - 2012-04-12 16:22:21 UTC
Darth Tickles wrote:
It's not even a debate.

Nullsec is objectively far more risky than the hisec. Any reduction of that objective relative risk is due to player effort, knowledge, and coordination, which is a product of the competition for the supposed greater reward.

"durr hurr but mai hulk got ganked once durr" is not an argument, it is the mindless vomit response of coddled and entitled hisec forum warriors who know nothing about the game.


If you are talking about me I don't own a hulk and I don't have the skill to fly exhumers, I can fly any combat ship of any race below Capital ships and use any weapon system small - large at T2 level with maxed support skills, so if you are characterizing me as a butt-hurt miner, you got the wrong guy. I'm just calling it as I see it.
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
Vae. Victis.
#45 - 2012-04-12 16:23:16 UTC
Yeah, I can't get too upset that prices are finally returning to something resembling normal.

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Darth Gustav
Sith Interstellar Tech Harvesting
#46 - 2012-04-12 16:28:49 UTC
Zyress wrote:
Darth Gustav wrote:
Honestly, you can't pay attention and be safe in Empire?


Nobody is red in Highsec to you unless they are in a wardec against you or they have a worse than -5 security status. You can pay attention in high sec and avoid wardeccers, you can see when someone with a worse than -5 sec status enters the system, though until he's on grid with you, you don't know if like most of those guys he's just in a pod. You can pay attention for probes in the case that they are trying to get a warp in on you, but no beyond staying aligned as much as possible and hoping you can warp out before they can disrupt you, there is no intel channel to tell you there are incoming hostiles, and no way to know who is a ganker till they target you.

Posting to confirm that d-scan only picks up reds.

He who trolls trolls best when he who is trolled trolls the troller. -Darth Gustav's Axiom
Simetraz
State War Academy
Caldari State
#47 - 2012-04-12 16:29:03 UTC
Duvida wrote:
I was looking at the nerfs in mission and rat drops, and the mineral price increases and released that an important part of EVE, PVP was very much affected by replacement costs for equipment. If PVP'rs get starved because everything costs too much, will we lose a significant percentage of EVE players? Sad


Most alliances have a SRP Program or should.


EVERYBODY KNOWS
Darth Gustav
Sith Interstellar Tech Harvesting
#48 - 2012-04-12 16:29:20 UTC
Also, it is impossible to make insta's in high-sec.

He who trolls trolls best when he who is trolled trolls the troller. -Darth Gustav's Axiom
Azami Nevinyrall
172.0.0.1
#49 - 2012-04-12 16:33:46 UTC
Higher mineral prices = more expensive ships.
More expensive ships = harder to replace said ships.
1 month old toons mining in tech 1 barges = Moar tears.

...
Zyress
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#50 - 2012-04-12 16:33:52 UTC  |  Edited by: Zyress
Darth Gustav wrote:
Zyress wrote:
Darth Gustav wrote:
Honestly, you can't pay attention and be safe in Empire?


Nobody is red in Highsec to you unless they are in a wardec against you or they have a worse than -5 security status. You can pay attention in high sec and avoid wardeccers, you can see when someone with a worse than -5 sec status enters the system, though until he's on grid with you, you don't know if like most of those guys he's just in a pod. You can pay attention for probes in the case that they are trying to get a warp in on you, but no beyond staying aligned as much as possible and hoping you can warp out before they can disrupt you, there is no intel channel to tell you there are incoming hostiles, and no way to know who is a ganker till they target you.

Posting to confirm that d-scan only picks up reds.


Posting to confirm the practicality of warping off when anyone at all enters a system in Hi-sec where a miner is operating
Alec Freeman
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#51 - 2012-04-12 16:34:13 UTC
I wonder when the changes will begin too effect WH space.

*twiddles thumbs*
Darth Gustav
Sith Interstellar Tech Harvesting
#52 - 2012-04-12 16:34:31 UTC
Zyress wrote:
Darth Gustav wrote:
Zyress wrote:
Darth Gustav wrote:
Honestly, you can't pay attention and be safe in Empire?


Nobody is red in Highsec to you unless they are in a wardec against you or they have a worse than -5 security status. You can pay attention in high sec and avoid wardeccers, you can see when someone with a worse than -5 sec status enters the system, though until he's on grid with you, you don't know if like most of those guys he's just in a pod. You can pay attention for probes in the case that they are trying to get a warp in on you, but no beyond staying aligned as much as possible and hoping you can warp out before they can disrupt you, there is no intel channel to tell you there are incoming hostiles, and no way to know who is a ganker till they target you.

Posting to confirm that d-scan only picks up reds.


Posting to confirm the paracticality of warping off when anyone at all enters a system in Hi-sec where a miner is operating

Posting to confirm your delicious tears.

He who trolls trolls best when he who is trolled trolls the troller. -Darth Gustav's Axiom
Darth Gustav
Sith Interstellar Tech Harvesting
#53 - 2012-04-12 16:34:43 UTC
Also that d-scan ranges can be changed.

He who trolls trolls best when he who is trolled trolls the troller. -Darth Gustav's Axiom
Darth Gustav
Sith Interstellar Tech Harvesting
#54 - 2012-04-12 16:34:58 UTC
Also that warping is a lot less down-time than getting exploded.

He who trolls trolls best when he who is trolled trolls the troller. -Darth Gustav's Axiom
Darth Gustav
Sith Interstellar Tech Harvesting
#55 - 2012-04-12 16:35:09 UTC
Not to mention ISK efficiency.

He who trolls trolls best when he who is trolled trolls the troller. -Darth Gustav's Axiom
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
Vae. Victis.
#56 - 2012-04-12 16:40:17 UTC  |  Edited by: Ranger 1
Zyress wrote:
Darth Gustav wrote:
Zyress wrote:
Darth Gustav wrote:
Honestly, you can't pay attention and be safe in Empire?


Nobody is red in Highsec to you unless they are in a wardec against you or they have a worse than -5 security status. You can pay attention in high sec and avoid wardeccers, you can see when someone with a worse than -5 sec status enters the system, though until he's on grid with you, you don't know if like most of those guys he's just in a pod. You can pay attention for probes in the case that they are trying to get a warp in on you, but no beyond staying aligned as much as possible and hoping you can warp out before they can disrupt you, there is no intel channel to tell you there are incoming hostiles, and no way to know who is a ganker till they target you.

Posting to confirm that d-scan only picks up reds.


Posting to confirm the practicality of warping off when anyone at all enters a system in Hi-sec where a miner is operating


D-scan for ships approaching the belt you are mining in.

Pay attention only to ships that might be a threat.

Minimize false positives by choosing belts that are somewhat isolated in the system.

Do this in addition to the plethora of other intel and defensive options available to you, the same options that are used every day in Null sec, and you will have few problems.

It's amazing what you can accomplish when you get organized.

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Mortimer Civeri
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#57 - 2012-04-12 17:34:09 UTC
Zyress wrote:
Darth Gustav wrote:
Zyress wrote:
Darth Gustav wrote:
Honestly, you can't pay attention and be safe in Empire?


Nobody is red in Highsec to you unless they are in a wardec against you or they have a worse than -5 security status. You can pay attention in high sec and avoid wardeccers, you can see when someone with a worse than -5 sec status enters the system, though until he's on grid with you, you don't know if like most of those guys he's just in a pod. You can pay attention for probes in the case that they are trying to get a warp in on you, but no beyond staying aligned as much as possible and hoping you can warp out before they can disrupt you, there is no intel channel to tell you there are incoming hostiles, and no way to know who is a ganker till they target you.

Posting to confirm that d-scan only picks up reds.


Posting to confirm the practicality of warping off when anyone at all enters a system in Hi-sec where a miner is operating

When a COMBAT ship enters the belt I'm mining, it is time to be safer than sorry, especially if they are moving towards me. If you aren't aligned to a safe or a station, aren't mining on the other side of the belt from the warpin, are not doing all you can think of to minimize the gank risk, you are truly doing it wrong. Stop blubbering about how null is safer than highsec, when you refuse to take charge of your own safety.

"I don't know which is worse, ...that everyone has his price, or that the price is always so low." Calvin
Tarryn Nightstorm
Hellstar Towing and Recovery
#58 - 2012-04-12 17:51:38 UTC  |  Edited by: Tarryn Nightstorm
Falin Whalen wrote:
Pillowtalk wrote:
Darth Tickles wrote:
You mean there will actually be more REWARD for the relative higher RISK of nullsec over hisec?

Oh no.

wolololololol

Also an intended change. Deal wiz it.


Higher risk of null sec. Lol funniest thing I've heard all week.
Well if you think Nullsec is so safe, why don't you join a nullsec alliance and come reap the rewards of nullsec then. I find it funny that the people who complain about nullsec being so safe, wouldn't set foot in nullsec because it is so dangerous.


It's not the risks of nullsec--which are quite manageable if you're halfway-smart about it--it's the people out there.

Herf-blerfing mouthbreathers circle-jerking each other over their pixel-peens and all their ******* pathetic lickspittle little wanna-be(e)s just there to be used and used up...Thanks mates, but you can have it.

E: Cloaky-cloaky. U no see'z me!

Star Wars: the Old Republic may not be EVE. But I'll take the sound of dual blaster-pistols over "NURVV CLAOKING NAOW!!!11oneone!!" any day of the week.
Herping yourDerp
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
#59 - 2012-04-12 18:07:45 UTC
cruiser fleets are my favorite
Darth Gustav
Sith Interstellar Tech Harvesting
#60 - 2012-04-12 18:13:06 UTC  |  Edited by: Darth Gustav
Tarryn Nightstorm wrote:
Falin Whalen wrote:
Pillowtalk wrote:
Darth Tickles wrote:
You mean there will actually be more REWARD for the relative higher RISK of nullsec over hisec?

Oh no.

wolololololol

Also an intended change. Deal wiz it.


Higher risk of null sec. Lol funniest thing I've heard all week.
Well if you think Nullsec is so safe, why don't you join a nullsec alliance and come reap the rewards of nullsec then. I find it funny that the people who complain about nullsec being so safe, wouldn't set foot in nullsec because it is so dangerous.


It's not the risks of nullsec--which are quite manageable if you're halfway-smart about it--it's the people out there.

Herf-blerfing mouthbreathers circle-jerking each other over their pixel-peens and all their ******* pathetic lickspittle little wanna-be(e)s just there to be used and used up...Thanks mates, but you can have it.

E: Cloaky-cloaky. U no see'z me!

I'm trying to see for myself just how different the high-sec population's demographic is. From what I gather they all lack the capacity for organization or individual culpability and pretty much just ride CCP's haunches about buffs to the most popular boat in Eve. Other than that they are all "herf-blerfing mouthbreathers circle-jerking each other over their pixel-peens and all their ******* pathetic lickspittle little wanna-be(e)s just there to be used and used up..."

So I guess I can see why you wouldn't want to hang with null-sec people. They don't want a buff to the most popular ship in the game.

He who trolls trolls best when he who is trolled trolls the troller. -Darth Gustav's Axiom