EVE General Discussion

I understand the motivation of OP and in some point he is right, CCP (not EVE) needs a healthy sub number, but I am absolutely against a 100% safe High Sec......mostly because then it would be full of Alts and I mean really full meanwhile low would be completely dead.

**** casual gamers. They have 10,000 games that cater to them already. The rest of us have exactly two games, Darkfall and Eve and Darkfall sucks. CCP isn't going to make Eve a huge hit by trying to compete with the giant caldari style megacorporations like EA in an already oversaturated market. They almost have a monopoly on hardcore sandbox games and it would be stupid to give that up. Why do you think Eve is the only MMO with a population that increases over time? Other MMOs reach their peak less than a year after launch and then dwindle over time. Making Eve more carebear friendly is the worst mistake CCP could make.

TLDR: Go back to WoW, candy ass!

OP is absolutely right, high sec pvp is all ****** up. Concord is way too strong.

The safehavens are all there, save one.

I can mine in an Apoc, I can mine in an Abaddon. I will get better yields than mining in a Ret. Does it mean they shouldn't look at the hulk? No, the hulk is garbage. No PG to fit a tank = death for a hulk. Someone described it as the Goat in Jurrasic Park. Tied to a belt waiting for the T-Rex to come eat it with no chance of survival in the future. The Oh but, but, but brigade will have lots of excuses to leave the Hulk a goat but 2 options remain. Tie it to the belt and wait for it to die or leave it in the barn.

Mackinaw? That's another story. I can't mine Ice in an Abaddon. It's Macki or bust and a macki is total fail. I don't need a POS though. I fon't need capital fuel. Any Ice I mine, is to save the lazy null bears time. So I don't mine it.

You better start walking then!

Where are the stats that show 75% of Players are in High Sec? I've heard of stats showing 60 something percent of Characters are in High Sec, not 75% of Players.

On what basis do you claim that High Sec based characters represent players that want EVE to have PvP free PvE like Themepark MMOs?

EVE is a Sandbox MMORPG, what other Sandbox MMORPG can you name that was primarily PvE and more successful profitable than EVE?

If you're suggesting that EVE should switch to being a Themepark MMORPG because Wow has much more subscribers than EVE have you considered the following?...

Making EVE more like Wow, won't make it Wow, it will make it a Wow clone. Many Wow clones and other Themepark MMOs have not been very successful at all. They're here one day and gone the next.

If popularity is to be the guide EVE's future why change it into a Themepark MMO, way more people enjoy shooters and RTS games. So by your reasoning shouldn't CCP be adding more FPS and RTS elements into EVE?

If your an EVE industrialist, do you think you ought to only make the most popular ships that all the other major industrialists are making and ignore a smaller but untapped market in a less popular ship?

very interesting points made on both sides of the fence. and i do agree with alot of them. i personaly do not want to see PvP combat totaly eliminated in high-sec.

once they fix war-decs, that will prove very entertaining. most other forms of pvp that take place in highsec, no problems.

however that is one single problem that is consistantly mentioned. that of suicide ganking. this is a problem. a serious problem, that needs to be fixed. fact remains there is absolutly zero defense aginst a dedicated suicide gank. and the ships used in such type of ganks tend to be mass produced and extremly cheap. the person conduting the suicide gank has abosolutly nothing to loose (if he had something to loose then he would not be doing it). those getting ganked, well that is something all together different. the risk vs reward, the persons often times conducting these are doing it strictly for some kill quota or kill board bragging rights, not any type of material gain (the exception being listed below) ... or, they are doing it just because they can.

not so much refering to gate camping, if your stupid enough to haul extremly valueable cargo in a papter thin transport, you deserve to get ganked. but there have been other instances of suicide ganking that i feel are extremly disruptive to game play.

ie someone jumps in and starts to gank newbs just because they can is the type of ganking im specificaly refering to

what would be the pro's and con's of eliminateing suicide ganking type of combat in high-sec only, and what mechanics could be inserted into the game to impliment this?

Fleet up and you can. Just make fleet, create an advert, and link it in local. You can even make it standing dependent, and set all know gankers to red so they can't use it to awox you!

Or is it too difficult to make friends for that?

EVE is fine as it is

I'm an extreme carebear and have been for most of my EVE career. I've carebeared in highsec, I've carebeared in lowsec, I've carebeared in 0.0 and I've carebeared in WH space. Nearly all PvP encounters that I've found myself in were forced on me in the form of a gank, gatecamp or something like that. I recall one PvP fight that I've won (and maby one during the short time I tried FW right after it was released - I died early then and don't know how it turned out :P). In most of those situations I've been blown up. If you find me on killboards I'm almost always on the dead side

Still, despite being horrible at PvP I still play EVE because it has the one thing that games used to have and usually don't have now. EVE is hard. And it's not hard because the NPCs you fight have a ton of HP, but because there are people out there who will go miles out of their way to blow you up. Games these days are tailored for the casual player and usually provide no challenge whatsoever. Guess I'm old, but I miss the days when you'd have to actually think in games, rather than just run and shoot

I don't want a safe haven for my carebearing. If I jump my faction mission boat into lowsec without a scout I take a risk. If I fly an Orca filled to the brim with expensive cargo during wartime I take a risk. If I enter a WH and don't bother to check the d-scanner I take a risk. My risk may pay off or it may not. I've lost that Orca because I toke a chance and lost, not because EVE is flawed in some way. Or because I'm an idiot, or both

EVE is not for everyone. It is advertised as 'hard and unforgiving' and forums all over the Internet are full of people talking how 'unfair' the game is and how horrible the playerbase is. And yet not only does CCP not go bankrupt, but they apparently have enough money to work on two more games.

Please, don't try to make EVE easier, it would ruin the only MMO out there with an actual challenge outside of grinding levels.

This is such a stupid idea because it would just be abused to no end.

Make a safe zone for the new people, but it should not contain any of the following:

Asteroids,
Agents,
NPC's with bounties above 0.01isk
Wormholes,
A market,
Wrecks,
Contracts,
Moons,
Planets,

And after a week or so your kicked out of the space and not allowed back in.

After all that is done, then maybe id agree with you, begrudgingly, eve doesn't need to be changed. people just need to HTFU!

Worst post I've ever read.