EVE General Discussion

No, CCP has made suicide ganking not just "the last resort," but the ONLY resort.

"It has gotten" ?

Back in 2007 when I was beginning to play I clearly remember in a description of solar system security levels the Jita specifically described as an example of a 0.8 security system, which is one of the most dangerous systems in EvE.

Since then suicide ganking was nerfed numerous times.

Fred didn't imply docking up at the sight of someone shows up in local. After all, that is illogical in high-sec. What he was referring to is the kind of situational awareness that is similar to driving a car in heavy traffic. Cars can collide at any time and therefore all drivers are responsible for being aware of their surroundings for signs of a possible bad driver swerving across lanes. It's almost unavoidable in places like Miami in Florida (drivers here suck) so the driver has to do the best he can to either avoid or mitigate damage.

But I like Loci's airplane analogy better as that explains ganking in-game in high-sec space for effectively.

If the hulk cost you 5 mil and the Thorax set you back 300 mil, you would be singing a different tune.

Do you know what you are talking about? First off, heavily armed transport ships are not viable for the shipment of most goods, due to the decreased cargo space and overall cost.

Secondly, cargo ships tend to stay away from the Somali coast. People don't go there unless there is absolutely no other option and quite frankly, there is.

The way cargo ships avoid pirates is the same way miners should avoid suicide gankers. Ships on the high seas keep their distance from areas with high pirate activity and often employ the use of aircraft, small boats, or fellow cargo ships to keep track of pirate movements or just to declare an all clear.

That's how miners in EVE should go about avoiding suicide ganked. Will suicide ganking still happen? Yes, much like piracy can still happen. The measures people should take have to be preventative, not immediate in order to increase the chances of survival.



Your theatrical example shows just how little you know about suicide ganking.

First off suicide ganking cannot be done with a fail fit. Even the best suicide gankers only get their kill a second (a few seconds if they are really skilled) before CONCORD makes them go boom boom. You can't fail fit. And where did I suggest docking up if anyone is in local? While that will increase your safety it's rather silly. There are simple things to do reduce the risk significantly. Use an alt or scout to warn of combat ships aligning/ warping to asteroid belts. Perhaps you could add local suicide gankers to your watchlist so you know when they are on. The Hulk is far from useless.

The problem with a PG and HP buff is that it doesn't solve the problem. If something in EVE can be blown up, people are going to blow it up. If you can no longer destroy a hulk with one cruiser, then people will just start shooting at them in two cruisers. These days people don't even care about making a profit from suicide ganking, the incoherent death threats in local is profit enough for many gankers.



Nobody is forcing you to undock from those areas. Plus if it is indeed more dangerous (which it really isn't) people are simply going to find new trade hubs or populate the less popular ones. Besides, trade shouldn't be focused around a few systems anyway.

Since when should suicide ganking be a last resort? The heavy penalties you route for are useless as most suicide gankers are characters created for that exact purpose and are disposed of when they can no longer serve it or shifted to another profession. And hi-sec is clearly not pointless. It is and will probably remain the most active and densely populated area in EVE. People have adapted and overcome the few challenges that exist in hi-sec. Even me, a part time L4 Tengu pilot has learned how to avoid getting blown up and my Hi-sec home is in a trade hub for crying out loud! Those that can't figure it out shouldn't be breast fed by CCP because of it.



I would not .Once again price doesn't mean anything. Whether the Hulk is 5 mil or 300 mil it's function should determine balance.

Why would ORE produce a ship to mine in hostile space that can't even defend itself against 1 god damn destroyer.

As luck would have it, they've actually designed such a ship. It's called the Hulk.

Somali pirates tend to hang out around Somalia (common sense FTW). Plus African coastlines tend to be the only seas with heavy piracy problems so location is relevant. Also there already is a middle area between an armored ship and a miner. The Covetor can even be fitted to have more EHP than the Hulk. You can be a jack of all trades but master of none. Not a jack of all trades and master of everything. People don't want to EHP fit their ships because that loses yield, yet they also don't want to be blown up. You want the best of both worlds, not a middle area.

A destroyer should be able to easily blow things up. It has the word "destroy" in it's name for crying out loud! The purpose of a destroyer is to have heavy DPS with some maneuverability while sacrificing EHP. That's it's function. The Hulk is a mining ship, not a bunker.

The counter is common sense.

Well duh, if there is already someone in your belt how do you expect to survive? Like a said a bajillion times, with a scout you can spot a ship that isn't meant for mining or hauling aligning to an asteroid belt, providing more than enough time for the scout's friends to warp out until the threat passes. If you want to work alone then don't complain. EVE is a multiplayer game, multiplayer games should reward people playing with other people, not the other way around.



People like to use the description of the Hulk a lot to justify why it should receive an EHP buff, yet they forget that ship descriptions are solely for lore/rp purposes (other than ship stats). Let's analyze the Hulk's for a moment, key terms have been bolded.



First off the electronics are designed for the purpose of accommodating strip mining modules, defense modules are not mentioned.

Dangers of deep space doesn't necessarily mean attacks by another ship. Since that paragraph is just for lore, we would expect various space threats that aren't in the game such as solar winds, radiation, spaceship/asteroid fragments and so on.

Finally it mentions that the Hulk is the most efficient mining vessel. Efficiency is the name of the game with the Hulk. Extra bulk is inefficient and have been removed from the Hulk (hence why the Covetor, a more inefficient vessal has more EHP). Why slow down an already slow ship with extra armor or use up it's power grid for extra shields when it's purpose is mining? That's hardly efficient.