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Goran Konjich
Krompany
#1 - 2012-04-11 06:40:33 UTC  |  Edited by: Goran Konjich
hi, question for i presume multiple viable answers ... but still inquiring minds want to know Blink

so lets say you are playing lvl4 with navythron and pirate shows up do usual stuff ransom yada yada yada,
web, scram .... can he eject warp to station pick up some 4000DPS vessel , come back and shoot you ?
(because his guns cant even lick your shield or armor)

how to defend yourself against this kind of attack ? i presume your drones (if you have) are getting popped quickly
against a quick frigate.

i dont know , is warp core stabilizer enough to run away ?

thx

I'm a diplomat. Sometimes i throw 425mm wide briefcases at enemy. Such is EVE.
Robert Lefcourt
BigPoppaMonkeys
E.B.O.L.A.
#2 - 2012-04-11 06:49:05 UTC
Goran Konjich wrote:
hi, quesion for i presume multiple viable answers ... but still inquiring minds want to know Blink

so lets say you are playing lvl4 with navythron and pirate shows up do usual stuff ransom yada yada yada,
web, scram .... can he eject warp to station pick up some 4000DPS vessel , come back and shoot you ?
(because his guns cant even lick your shield or armor)

how to defend yourself against this kind of attack ? i presume your drones (if you have) are getting popped quickly
against a quick frigate.

i dont know , is warp core stabilizer enough to run away ?

thx


Don't do missions in Lowsec. Problem solved.
Dr Silkworth
#3 - 2012-04-11 07:09:08 UTC
If your in high sec, just don't shoot at him and park your navythron, get your cheap drake out and finish the mission. You'd be amazed what a small pvp ship can do against a PVE ship. Aggression mechanics are complicated. Once you fire or web or scram him, your playing PVP until he's done with you. Especially if you left some drones out. Play your game not theirs.

Set the pirates in your area red. If you see them, be careful accepting missions that require you to bring back an item from the mission. They get a real kick out of looting them off of you in their much faster ships. :)

Don't mission in low sec unless you join a group of pirates that mission in lowsec with you. If someone agresses you , you can assume they believe they have the odds in their favor for one reason or the other or else they wouldn't be doing it. Don't use a billion isk bait ship unless you think its YOU that have the odds in your favor.
Goran Konjich
Krompany
#4 - 2012-04-11 07:20:36 UTC
thx for answers ... how about some loadout, equipment advice ?

I'm a diplomat. Sometimes i throw 425mm wide briefcases at enemy. Such is EVE.
St Mio
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#5 - 2012-04-11 07:27:35 UTC  |  Edited by: St Mio

  • Warp Core Stabs are for travel fits only. Don't use them on PvP fits, don't use them on PvE fits.
  • Don't mission in low- or null-sec if you don't know what you're doing.
  • Never mission while wardecced.
  • When you are in a mission ship, NEVER shoot another player. No exceptions. Reship to a PvP ship first.
  • When you are in a mission ship, never take from yellow cans, even if the loot was originally yours.
  • Never underestimate someone because they are alone, or have a young character, or a small ship.
  • Even if you don't plan to ever shoot other players, you should learn aggression mechanics so you know when people get to shoot you legally and when they don't.
Ikonia
Royal Amarr Expeditions
#6 - 2012-04-11 11:32:26 UTC
Every "generic" assumption is wrong at some state.

A PVP vessel vs a PVE mission ship is not always a clear loss. There are more than enough situations, when a PVE mission ship will remain in victory.

Example:

I was sitting in my battleship and was engaged by a heavy assault ship and a battleship. Since i was fitted for tanking purpose mainly the situation was open. The hac got so close that my guns couldnt hit him, the battleship was going on distance and firing at me. Situation report - not good.

Shield gone, armor repair running. 2 large faction reppers running, enough energy that capacitor was stable and there we go. At the end the bs had to flee since my pulses got enough range to remain dangerous, the drones did the rest. The hac remained close still, firing. Drone change to web drones and ecm drones, i came off at 7K distance and my medium pulses hit the **** out of him so he warped off either.

Result: A honest salute from the 2 in local for the battle i delivered. Sure, i couldnt kill them, but a victory is not always measured in the kill, but in the survival. I consider this a victory for me, since i am not a PVP, not interested in PVP and not interested in the kills. Would i have used a warp scrambler, my capacitor wouldnt have been stable and i would have lost. Good for me, bad for them.

Same happend more than once with my HAC and my Logi in fleet. Engaged, but they had to flee. It is not always that a mission ship, or exploration fleet will loose. I lost at least 3 ships and 1 of them to pirates in the last 4 month. And the loss was simply my mistake.

Cheers
Goran Konjich
Krompany
#7 - 2012-04-11 12:34:59 UTC  |  Edited by: Goran Konjich
thx .... one more point


  • put your drones to passive (or what is called in the menus) or return them

I'm a diplomat. Sometimes i throw 425mm wide briefcases at enemy. Such is EVE.
Orlacc
#8 - 2012-04-11 15:13:04 UTC
Goran Konjich wrote:
thx .... one more point


  • put your drones to passive (or what is called in the menus) or return them




Why?

"Measure Twice, Cut Once."
Gorki Andropov
I Dn't Knw Wht You Wnt Bt I Cn't Gve It Anymre
#9 - 2012-04-11 15:42:49 UTC
Why do you think?
Cu3ball
Edge of Darkness
#10 - 2012-04-11 16:03:11 UTC
* Dont run missions in mission hub systems.
* Dont run missions in systems with 100+ players.
* If someone comes and steals your salvage, laugh and move on.
* Option 2 - If someone comes and steals your salvage, aggro every NPC, pop all the trigger ships and warp out. ( Have done this 3 times, 2 came back to find ninja looter wreck)
* If you shoot or aggro another player be prepared to fight him and a bunch of his friends.

Just my 2 isk, is your mission ships worth risking over the salvage they are stealing?


Fly safe or hit hard.
Fango Mango
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#11 - 2012-04-11 18:41:41 UTC
Gorki Andropov wrote:
Why do you think?


Silly rabbit . . .

Drones WILL NOT ATTACK ANOTHER PLAYER unless given the order to, if they are fired upon, or if you attack that player.

There is no way for a pirate to "trick" your drones into attacking them as a means of getting around concord.

Don't believe me though, go test it with an alt yourself.

-FM
masternerdguy
Doomheim
#12 - 2012-04-11 19:13:05 UTC
I actually scan people down and can flip them in missions to kill them, so I find your advice pretty funny.

I will be persistant. If you don't shoot me at first I will keep stealing and salvaging until you do. Think you can warp out and back? I have your accel gate bookmarked and will happily wait for you.

Still not engaging? Depending on your mission I'll bring my own big ship in and kill the structure/important rat and steal your mission loot.

If you try to fight back it doesn't matter how you're fit. My PVP ship will destroy you. I won't even show you my PVP ship until I have aggro on you with my little heron anyway.

I'd love for you to fly something like a Marauder because I can permajam you with my ECM drones. And by all means, bring a buddy. I can take multiple enemies on at once.

The best way to avoid something bad happening to you is to log off for an hour once someone like me shows up. Only way to lose my attention (scanning you guys down is annoying, so I'd rather spend 3 hours playing with you in your mission than probe someone else).

Things are only impossible until they are not.
Caldari Citizen 786478786
#13 - 2012-04-11 19:58:45 UTC
Goran Konjich wrote:
thx .... one more point


  • put your drones to passive (or what is called in the menus) or return them


Drones, even when set to Aggressive, will NOT initiate aggression against another player. They will return aggression, but they never initiate it. Period.
Aqriue
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#14 - 2012-04-11 20:14:18 UTC  |  Edited by: Aqriue
masternerdguy wrote:
Blah blah blah Internet Tough Guy(tm) looking for attention blah blah blah LOOK AT ME DAMN IT! blah blah blah blah shooting PVE ships is like punching in the face of a mouth breathing ret*rd trying to lick the lines off the street since he won't look at me and I can't lose doing it blah blah blah blah blah
Kira Deschain
Arcane Odyssey
Electus Matari
#15 - 2012-04-11 20:34:50 UTC
Aqriue wrote:
masternerdguy wrote:
Blah blah blah Internet Tough Guy(tm) looking for attention blah blah blah LOOK AT ME DAMN IT! blah blah blah blah shooting PVE ships is like punching in the face of a mouth breathing ret*rd trying to lick the lines off the street since he won't look at me and I can't lose doing it blah blah blah blah blah


QFT
Five Thirty
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#16 - 2012-04-11 21:16:11 UTC  |  Edited by: Five Thirty
masternerdguy wrote:
I actually scan people down and can flip them in missions to kill them, so I find your advice pretty funny.

I will be persistant. If you don't shoot me at first I will keep stealing and salvaging until you do. Think you can warp out and back? I have your accel gate bookmarked and will happily wait for you.

Still not engaging? Depending on your mission I'll bring my own big ship in and kill the structure/important rat and steal your mission loot.

If you try to fight back it doesn't matter how you're fit. My PVP ship will destroy you. I won't even show you my PVP ship until I have aggro on you with my little heron anyway.

I'd love for you to fly something like a Marauder because I can permajam you with my ECM drones. And by all means, bring a buddy. I can take multiple enemies on at once.

The best way to avoid something bad happening to you is to log off for an hour once someone like me shows up. Only way to lose my attention (scanning you guys down is annoying, so I'd rather spend 3 hours playing with you in your mission than probe someone else).


Watch out for internet tough guy.

Funny how fast these guys run away when they come back to the mission space with their pvp fit and find a pvp fit sleipnir instead of the navy domi that was there before.

The truth of the matter is that kids like this only play to cause other people grief. They don't want a fair fight, they want to gank someone who has no chance of fighting back. I am going to laugh at all the internet tough guy pirates that are going to cry when / if CCP adds in the suspect flag for people who agress in highsec. If agressing a mission runner means they might actually have to engage in actual PvP, maybe they'll knock it off.
Shereza
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#17 - 2012-04-11 22:32:42 UTC
masternerdguy wrote:
I won't even show you my PVP ship until I have aggro on you with my little heron anyway.


You know, I do remember someone in a heron buzzing into my mission once. I also remember him buzzing RTFO within a half a minute of being in the room where I was doing Serpentis Blockade with three ships.

Heron pilots sure are silly. I think they're overcompensating for something. Blink
Daniel Plain
Doomheim
#18 - 2012-04-11 23:42:28 UTC
masternerdguy wrote:
I actually scan people down and can flip them in missions to kill them, so I find your advice pretty funny.

I will be persistant. If you don't shoot me at first I will keep stealing and salvaging until you do. Think you can warp out and back? I have your accel gate bookmarked and will happily wait for you.

Still not engaging? Depending on your mission I'll bring my own big ship in and kill the structure/important rat and steal your mission loot.

If you try to fight back it doesn't matter how you're fit. My PVP ship will destroy you. I won't even show you my PVP ship until I have aggro on you with my little heron anyway.

I'd love for you to fly something like a Marauder because I can permajam you with my ECM drones. And by all means, bring a buddy. I can take multiple enemies on at once.

The best way to avoid something bad happening to you is to log off for an hour once someone like me shows up. Only way to lose my attention (scanning you guys down is annoying, so I'd rather spend 3 hours playing with you in your mission than probe someone else).


haha nice one :D
wait, you're serious?

I should buy an Ishtar.
Svodola Darkfury
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#19 - 2012-04-12 00:22:31 UTC  |  Edited by: Svodola Darkfury
masternerdguy wrote:
I actually scan people down and can flip them in missions to kill them, so I find your advice pretty funny.

I will be persistant. If you don't shoot me at first I will keep stealing and salvaging until you do. Think you can warp out and back? I have your accel gate bookmarked and will happily wait for you.

Still not engaging? Depending on your mission I'll bring my own big ship in and kill the structure/important rat and steal your mission loot.

If you try to fight back it doesn't matter how you're fit. My PVP ship will destroy you. I won't even show you my PVP ship until I have aggro on you with my little heron anyway.

I'd love for you to fly something like a Marauder because I can permajam you with my ECM drones. And by all means, bring a buddy. I can take multiple enemies on at once.

The best way to avoid something bad happening to you is to log off for an hour once someone like me shows up. Only way to lose my attention (scanning you guys down is annoying, so I'd rather spend 3 hours playing with you in your mission than probe someone else).



Your loot and salvage is not worth your ship. Ignore him.

He warps out? Blitz finish your mission. He steals your mission loot? Try to find spares on contract, the mission is now complete. Can't complete it? Oh well. Standing loss, log for now.

If he's in a heron, finish your mission, pop him, and dock up for 15 minutes.

He thinks he can jam you out with ECM drones? He's aggressed to your entire corp. Bring some friends in pvp ships after you get him to engage you. The best HIS friends can do is rep him, the best you can do is jam him out completely and blob him to smithereens. So even if you can't kill him, you can at LEAST jam him out as he's the only ship on the grid that can warp scramble you.

The best way to avoid this is to engage when you know you are at an advantage and before they have a chance to re-engage. I had a Rupture/Harbinger/Typhoon Fleet Issue try to bait one of my corp members who was in a drake one time. I came in with Drake/Ishtar and we just alpha'd through each ship; 10x medium armor repair maintenance drones can't keep up with 1500 dps. After we had burned through the Rupture and the Harbinger the Typhoon Fleet got scared and warped out. They reshipped to battleships, we docked up.


[edit]: My whole point with all this is to demystify high-sec aggression mechanics. Only people YOU shoot can shoot back at you. His friends can rep him to the ends of the earth, but if you can control his attacks by jamming him out or ranging him, you have an excellent chance of killing him. All the above advice is excellent advice to AVOID conflict.

Director of Frozen Corpse Industries.
Drew Solaert
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#20 - 2012-04-12 00:58:08 UTC
Oh dear Goran. I expected more from a fellow of the University of Caille

Anyway sir! The best defense is to not be a complete bellend and attack that pesky salvage vessel. Yes it might be annoying to loose the loot for that mission. But is it really worth risking about 3-10mil of loot for a 400mil ship?

Abandon the wrecks and move on to the next mission, and just plain ignore them

I lied :o
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