Crime & Punishment

There never was a NATO, at best that was an epic troll in a battle report, there was a Pewalition but it has long since disbanded in favor of good fights.

I did, which is why I'm genuinely asking some questions as to why this is a big deal at all

If there really is little benefit to owning a whole constellation then there is even less to rabble about [;)

Won't comment on the O H situation cuz it matters little either way

Obviously I am not planning any of this and I have no idea what a 5-3 constellation is

But hey, at the very least there will be fights. I wouldn't worry too much about our pilots getting stuck or lost, they will either come in and out as a fleet or die fighting as a fleet, no biggie tbh. There probably isn't anything in the pods to ransom anyway. All the shat that applies to high sec explorers getting stuck in a WH probably won't apply to us. Dying in WH space and dying in null is still dying. Personally, if I were ever stuck with my ship, I'd fly around and find something to pew, probably explode and probably have em pod express me out.

This is all supposing we don't actually come prepared to pvp and have scanning alts in target wormholes in case things really do go horribly wrong. Cuz, while we are new to the wormhole scene we aren't new to pew pew, I don't see why people are so giddy about this, the reddit post even put an edit hoping some random alliance will invade our nullsec space while we are hitting wormholes like its some sort of opening when it really isn't. Taking over AAA space really worked for all the alliances that have done it for the past two years. Ask INIT, RA and the rest of the former DRF how well it worked out for them. Personally I'd love to see that happen (probably most of us would love to see that happen again) since it would be close the the majority of my pvp stash instead of this homo northern -across the galaxy- to find pvp shat we are pulling now.

We are simple folk, our - Please refrain from using inappropriate terms for things. - Guard. - in WH space is for the sake of pew, we aren't trying to make WH into Null, contrary to what some may believe. There is really no way to make a WH space empire because of the random nature of WHs, which is why it would be pointless for us to try to do that, which is why that is not what we are trying to do. Which is why I don't get this whole rabble about "AAA invading wormhole space".

This. After the "Pewalition" was all done, we went right back to shooting each other in the face.

youre missing the point.
the big WH guys do not like people just living in WHs to farm the isk since they make for boring neighbors.
AHARM, for example, systematically evict any corp they run into in a C6 that never fights and there are other groups who do the same thing in C5s.

this applies in particular to large 0.0 groups since they don't really tend to have any legitimate PVP reason to be in WHs at all.
(only exception i can think of to this is RnK.)
a few people went after Hydra specifically last year when their farming systems started cropping up since they never resisted and their POSs tended to drop multiple caps and T3s in loot.

as the current story is that AAA want to control a whole constellation, this can be seen as nothing more that an isk farming venture since there is no real reason to live in 6 WH systems at once, nor is there any strategic benefit to it at all.
especially a C5 constellation with C3 statics...

This has been the most hilarious thread in C&P for months.


Can't wait to find a AAA invasion fleet while roaming and calling out on comms we have hit the ******* motherload.


Now if only SD had a killmail already so when this ends in hilarity we can all see.

Dibs on being the hawkman commander.

I for one welcome the extra targets that won't just POS up and hide. From my experience engaging the random Null people we have come across they have been well out of their depth and unaware of WH mechanics and chain mapping. In the end we could only get a few and the rest ran back to null.

So as long as you can get a different mindset then null blobbing then you will do ok in the hole. But hey he who risks nothing gains nothing so props to you for giving it a go.

People are chuckling about this because W space isn't K space and the expectation is that any nullsec alliance trying to get a foothold in W space will try to apply true and tested K space tactics which will fail horribly.

Doesn't matter that you understand pvp, you have to understand W tactics, mechanics and best practices.

The expectation is that in any engagement you will send in hoards of ships piloted by people new to W-space. They will get lost, they will get stuck, someone will forget to bookmark the out-hole, will forget to bring a probe, You will discover partially collapsed W-holes, probably by getting ships stuck on the other side of it. Grunts will talk in local, forget to cloak; Scouts will not have a good system for plotting out wormholes yet, your fleets will get lost because of this. etc...

In short, there's a learning curve you will have to go trough if you don't yet have people with the required knowledge. Perhaps you already have those and AAA leadership has given them a free hand in setting up a WH branch of the alliance, in which case you will perhaps be fine. But the expectation is that for your first few weeks? months? you will fail horribly at wormholes. To the general amusement of W-space residents.