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CCP: Something Conclusive Please! (Date for DE/BC skill change)
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Aranakas
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#1 - 2012-04-11 19:13:55 UTC  |  Edited by: Aranakas
Many players are training battlecruisers right now and would like to know exactly when the change will happen so they can tell whether or not to burn a remap.

Surely you must have concluded what your plans are for the escalation patch 2 weeks from now!

Also, what will happen to players who have the skill partially trained?

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masternerdguy
Doomheim
#2 - 2012-04-11 19:23:27 UTC
Why don't you have those at 5 already? They make all the difference in the world.

Things are only impossible until they are not.
Aranakas
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#3 - 2012-04-11 19:31:24 UTC
masternerdguy wrote:
Why don't you have those at 5 already? They make all the difference in the world.


Because this is a same-account alt.

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Roll Sizzle Beef
Space Mutiny
#4 - 2012-04-11 19:34:42 UTC  |  Edited by: Roll Sizzle Beef
They need to adjust destroyers and BCs first before changing their skills. Its going to be a long term process in which they will go through class by class. You may not even see the destroyer and BC change at the same time. Their first real changes will likely be some frigs no one uses first and there will be dev blogs on the subject and of course test server runs.
None of that has happened yet other than the announcement of the coming balance plans and everyone has been going nuts.
Stellar Vix
State War Academy
Caldari State
#5 - 2012-04-11 19:35:27 UTC
You'll get the same level of DD or BC regardless which path they pick

Option 1 - Multiracial it all. Get every races ship skill at equal level.

Option 2 - Granted based on flight status. If you have frigate 3 for that race you will only get that race's destroyer skill equal to your generic level.

Option 2 sounds like what they're going with.

-Vix

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Aranakas
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#6 - 2012-04-11 19:35:49 UTC
Roll Sizzle Beef wrote:
They need to adjust destroyers and BCs first before changing their skills. Its going to be a long term process in which they will go through class by class. You may not even see the destroyer and BC change at the same time. Their first real changes will likely be some frigs no one uses first and there will be dev blogs on the subject.


This is what they've said, but in that same post was the phrase "most likely".

And when the matter is some 2 million skill points, "most likely" can make a person kind of nervous.

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Roll Sizzle Beef
Space Mutiny
#7 - 2012-04-11 19:49:21 UTC  |  Edited by: Roll Sizzle Beef
Aranakas wrote:

And when the matter is some 2 million skill points, "most likely" can make a person kind of nervous.


https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=900335#post900335

CCP Soundwave wrote:
Our principle for the reimbursement here will be "if you could fly it yesterday, you can still fly it today"


CCP Ytterbium wrote:
it has been said before, but allow us to repeat again, that we do not want to cut ships you can already fly.


And since it takes very little time to train either destroyer and BC within a test server run before a TQ launch. It doesn't matter when they start to work on them. You will know about it far in advance to adjust training and "cheat" the SP changes.
Sentinel Smith
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#8 - 2012-04-11 20:46:17 UTC
Stellar Vix wrote:
You'll get the same level of DD or BC regardless which path they pick

Option 1 - Multiracial it all. Get every races ship skill at equal level.

Option 2 - Granted based on flight status. If you have frigate 3 for that race you will only get that race's destroyer skill equal to your generic level.

Option 2 sounds like what they're going with.

-Vix

Option 1 is the most likely.

Otherwise what will they do with people who have trained Destroyers V, and BC V, but haven't trained Frig/Cruiser and as such cannot fly either ?

The only fair thing they can do is split it for each race.. Which is what it sounds like when people post the WHOLE quote from the CCP Dev..


CCP Ytterbium wrote:

  • Destroyer and Battlecruiser reimbursement: it has been said before, but allow us to repeat again, that we do not want to cut ships you can already fly. Thus, having BC skill at 5 would mean you get all four variations at 5.

Karl Hobb
Imperial Margarine
#9 - 2012-04-11 21:06:37 UTC
I actually think it more likely that, given the proposed progression of needing IV in a skill to start on the next one, you would need frigate or cruiser in a race to IV in order to get your current dessie or BC skill in that race's dessie or BC skill. Or at least having 3 in the frigate or cruiser since the bigger hulls currently require those levels of skill to sit in and they don't want to take away ships you can already fly.

Either way, you probably have until after May to finish up BC V.

A professional astro-bastard was not available so they sent me.
Mashie Saldana
V0LTA
WE FORM V0LTA
#10 - 2012-04-11 21:09:31 UTC
Aranakas
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#11 - 2012-04-11 21:34:57 UTC
Roll Sizzle Beef wrote:


And since it takes very little time to train either destroyer and BC within a test server run before a TQ launch. It doesn't matter when they start to work on them. You will know about it far in advance to adjust training and "cheat" the SP changes.


It's not cheating any more than anyone else who has BC V. The time to train BC V is some 20 days, or less with the proper remap. The next patch is 17 days from now, and I'll have it finished the day after. I need to know what's going to happen right away.

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Karl Hobb
Imperial Margarine
#12 - 2012-04-11 21:39:22 UTC
Aranakas wrote:
It's not cheating any more than anyone else who has BC V. The time to train BC V is some 20 days, or less with the proper remap. The next patch is 17 days from now, and I'll have it finished the day after. I need to know what's going to happen right away.

Again, do you really think CCP is going to balance/redesign/tiericide frigates, destroyers, cruisers, and battlecruisers in 17 days, and do you think people who check Sisi on the reg are going to somehow miss that and not be crowing about how the new ships work in 17 days?

You'll probably have until well after Inferno proper. Chill.

A professional astro-bastard was not available so they sent me.
Copine Callmeknau
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#13 - 2012-04-11 21:40:22 UTC
Aranakas wrote:
Roll Sizzle Beef wrote:


And since it takes very little time to train either destroyer and BC within a test server run before a TQ launch. It doesn't matter when they start to work on them. You will know about it far in advance to adjust training and "cheat" the SP changes.


It's not cheating any more than anyone else who has BC V. The time to train BC V is some 20 days, or less with the proper remap. The next patch is 17 days from now, and I'll have it finished the day after. I need to know what's going to happen right away.

Guess yo ushoulda been paying attention then?

7d left on my alts BC 5 ^^

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Aranakas
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#14 - 2012-04-11 21:44:04 UTC
Karl Hobb wrote:
Aranakas wrote:
It's not cheating any more than anyone else who has BC V. The time to train BC V is some 20 days, or less with the proper remap. The next patch is 17 days from now, and I'll have it finished the day after. I need to know what's going to happen right away.

Again, do you really think CCP is going to balance/redesign/tiericide frigates, destroyers, cruisers, and battlecruisers in 17 days, and do you think people who check Sisi on the reg are going to somehow miss that and not be crowing about how the new ships work in 17 days?

You'll probably have until well after Inferno proper. Chill.


They don't have to rebalance everything. They said they'd like to, but they can pull the change at any time, and it's unprofessional to have a patch due in 2.5 weeks and the community representatives still don't know for sure what's going on.

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Karl Hobb
Imperial Margarine
#15 - 2012-04-11 21:47:10 UTC
Aranakas wrote:
They don't have to rebalance everything. They said they'd like to, but they can pull the change at any time, and it's unprofessional to have a patch due in 2.5 weeks and the community representatives still don't know for sure what's going on.

Again, do you honestly think they're going to do all that redesigning in 17days and not put it on the test server?

I really want to know.

A professional astro-bastard was not available so they sent me.
Roll Sizzle Beef
Space Mutiny
#16 - 2012-04-11 21:48:33 UTC  |  Edited by: Roll Sizzle Beef
Aranakas wrote:
Roll Sizzle Beef wrote:


And since it takes very little time to train either destroyer and BC within a test server run before a TQ launch. It doesn't matter when they start to work on them. You will know about it far in advance to adjust training and "cheat" the SP changes.


It's not cheating any more than anyone else who has BC V. The time to train BC V is some 20 days, or less with the proper remap. The next patch is 17 days from now, and I'll have it finished the day after. I need to know what's going to happen right away.


You bother reading the "Rebalancing EVE, one ship at a time" blog topic + all the blue comments linked within the very first post.
CCP Ytterbium wrote:

Q: Will all of these ship balancing changes be applied in one go for Inferno?

A: No, the nuance is we will begin this general ship balancing plan with Inferno. Not only trying to revamp everything for Inferno would require a massive commitment, but even if it was possible, doing so in one move would be quite risky as ship balancing is a delicate process.
... Such changes are just too massive to be released in one go, thus we need as much feedback as possible before going forward. As said before, we want to implement this massive change into small, iterative steps, focusing on one ship class at a time.

Its not going to happen with the pre-inferno patch, and it wont have much done even for inferno.
It needs balance testing on SISI from the player base and its not going to be rushed into.
Aranakas
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#17 - 2012-04-11 21:56:17 UTC  |  Edited by: Aranakas
Roll Sizzle Beef wrote:
Aranakas wrote:
Roll Sizzle Beef wrote:


And since it takes very little time to train either destroyer and BC within a test server run before a TQ launch. It doesn't matter when they start to work on them. You will know about it far in advance to adjust training and "cheat" the SP changes.


It's not cheating any more than anyone else who has BC V. The time to train BC V is some 20 days, or less with the proper remap. The next patch is 17 days from now, and I'll have it finished the day after. I need to know what's going to happen right away.


You bother reading the "Rebalancing EVE, one ship at a time" blog topic + all the blue comments linked within the very first post.
CCP Ytterbium wrote:

Q: Will all of these ship balancing changes be applied in one go for Inferno?

A: No, the nuance is we will begin this general ship balancing plan with Inferno. Not only trying to revamp everything for Inferno would require a massive commitment, but even if it was possible, doing so in one move would be quite risky as ship balancing is a delicate process.
... Such changes are just too massive to be released in one go, thus we need as much feedback as possible before going forward. As said before, we want to implement this massive change into small, iterative steps, focusing on one ship class at a time.

Its not going to happen with the pre-inferno patch, and it wont have much done even for inferno.
It needs balance testing on SISI from the player base and its not going to be rushed into.


This does make me feel a lot more relaxed, but still, I'd like blue confirmation on the matter of the skill change ETA, whether it's expected by May or after May.

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