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The Inflation Death of the Universe

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Liang Nuren
No Salvation
#41 - 2012-04-11 19:17:20 UTC
Darth Gustav wrote:
Liang Nuren wrote:
Darth Gustav wrote:

While simultaneously ramping up the tear factor for everybody involved.

As previously stated, CCP has successfully buffed the tears of the unwashed masses.

**** is about to get really good around here!!! EvilOopsTwistedPiratePLolCoolOopsEvilTwistedPiratePiratePirate


Uh, most of the PVPers I know may grumble for a while, but it won't last that long. We're a pretty adaptable lot and as a whole are remarkably good at ISK making and such. Hell I'm grumbling over the market prices of stuff, but a volatile market is going to incredibly good for my ISK reserves.

Don't confuse grumbling over short term discomfort with the perpetual whine we hear from die hard carebears.

-Liang

I was agreeing with you and extrapolating your point. Learn reading comprehension, I guess?

See also: THAT WAS NOT AN ARGUMENT.


Ummm, I don't know how I could have deduced that but w/e. The point is well and truly belabored now.

-Liang

I'm an idiot, don't mind me.
Darth Gustav
Sith Interstellar Tech Harvesting
#42 - 2012-04-11 19:20:04 UTC
Liang Nuren wrote:
Darth Gustav wrote:
Liang Nuren wrote:
Darth Gustav wrote:

While simultaneously ramping up the tear factor for everybody involved.

As previously stated, CCP has successfully buffed the tears of the unwashed masses.

**** is about to get really good around here!!! EvilOopsTwistedPiratePLolCoolOopsEvilTwistedPiratePiratePirate


Uh, most of the PVPers I know may grumble for a while, but it won't last that long. We're a pretty adaptable lot and as a whole are remarkably good at ISK making and such. Hell I'm grumbling over the market prices of stuff, but a volatile market is going to incredibly good for my ISK reserves.

Don't confuse grumbling over short term discomfort with the perpetual whine we hear from die hard carebears.

-Liang

I was agreeing with you and extrapolating your point. Learn reading comprehension, I guess?

See also: THAT WAS NOT AN ARGUMENT.


Ummm, I don't know how I could have deduced that but w/e. The point is well and truly belabored now.

-Liang

Maybe the problem is you read every post and just assume that people are arguing with you instead of maybe trying to add to what you've already said.

Just a thought, though.

He who trolls trolls best when he who is trolled trolls the troller. -Darth Gustav's Axiom
Liang Nuren
No Salvation
#43 - 2012-04-11 19:58:15 UTC
Darth Gustav wrote:

Maybe the problem is you read every post and just assume that people are arguing with you instead of maybe trying to add to what you've already said.

Just a thought, though.


Let's take a look at what was said:
"PVPers are not going to quit because higher tier ships are more expensive. They'll downgrade the ship they fly before quitting."

"... While simultaneously ramping up the tear factor for everybody involved."

It seems that relatively obvious that by saying "everybody involved", PVPers are included in that ramping up of the tear factor. Really, it could also be argued that its the responsibility of a poster to ensure their posts are understandable by the readers - which includes people who have a different native language. It could be argued that a certain poster has poor communication skills if they didn't say what they meant.... ?

Just a thought, though. Blink

-Liang

I'm an idiot, don't mind me.
Darth Gustav
Sith Interstellar Tech Harvesting
#44 - 2012-04-11 20:02:21 UTC  |  Edited by: Darth Gustav
Liang Nuren wrote:
Darth Gustav wrote:

Maybe the problem is you read every post and just assume that people are arguing with you instead of maybe trying to add to what you've already said.

Just a thought, though.


Let's take a look at what was said:
"PVPers are not going to quit because higher tier ships are more expensive. They'll downgrade the ship they fly before quitting."

"... While simultaneously ramping up the tear factor for everybody involved."

It seems that relatively obvious that by saying "everybody involved", PVPers are included in that ramping up of the tear factor. Really, it could also be argued that its the responsibility of a poster to ensure their posts are understandable by the readers - which includes people who have a different native language. It could be argued that a certain poster has poor communication skills if they didn't say what they meant.... ?

Just a thought, though. Blink

-Liang


Yes, the tears upon which they sup routinely have been (and continue to be) buffed. That's what I meant.

The tears you get will be better. The tears that your victims give will be better.

It's too bad that apparently anything I reply to you has to be spelled out like I'm dealing with a spergy six year old...

My point was valid regardless - that you got defensive is the true tell here.

He who trolls trolls best when he who is trolled trolls the troller. -Darth Gustav's Axiom
Liang Nuren
No Salvation
#45 - 2012-04-11 20:04:57 UTC
Darth Gustav wrote:
My point was valid regardless - that you got defensive is the true tell here.


It's not being defensive when someone screws up what they're trying to say and you have to correct them. Lol

-Liang

I'm an idiot, don't mind me.
Darth Gustav
Sith Interstellar Tech Harvesting
#46 - 2012-04-11 20:07:20 UTC
Liang Nuren wrote:
Darth Gustav wrote:
My point was valid regardless - that you got defensive is the true tell here.


It's not being defensive when someone screws up what they're trying to say and you have to correct them. Lol

-Liang


I'm not sure you corrected anybody there Liang.

Unless CCP has not buffed tears?

He who trolls trolls best when he who is trolled trolls the troller. -Darth Gustav's Axiom
CCP Phantom
C C P
C C P Alliance
#47 - 2012-04-11 20:12:49 UTC
Moved from General Discussion.

CCP Phantom - Senior Community Developer
Alain Kinsella
#48 - 2012-04-11 21:13:51 UTC
You can have a *lot* of fun in destroyers, even before the recent changes (though then it would primarily be the Thrasher). I <3 Agony Uni.

As for mining, I'm still happy digging into planets, thanks (though I freely admit rocks are tempting again). Will wait and see how CCP fills out the Ore ship line.

BTW, is this some new form of roid rage?

"The Meta Game does not stop at the game. Ever."

Currently Retired / Semi-Casual (pending changes to RL concerns).
Jessie-A Tassik
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#49 - 2012-04-11 21:47:51 UTC
Adunh Slavy wrote:
Jas Dor wrote:

Most likely though is sudden, explosive, subscription loss when the inflation situation makes continuing to play this game untenable.



I doubt that will be the case. At least not in the dramatic scene of players running for the hello kitty hills.


The only reason CCP is doing anything is because people began leaving in sufficient numbers to scare them.

So try to be less of an idiot.
Xylorn Hasher
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#50 - 2012-04-11 22:00:39 UTC
Liang Nuren wrote:
Darth Gustav wrote:

Maybe the problem is you read every post and just assume that people are arguing with you instead of maybe trying to add to what you've already said.

Just a thought, though.


Let's take a look at what was said:
"PVPers are not going to quit because higher tier ships are more expensive. They'll downgrade the ship they fly before quitting."

-Liang


You are wrong Liang.
Most pirate corps have strong industrial alt corps. How do you think who is making CAP ships, drugs, T2 ships and other stuff?
Large part of it is made in lowsec by us.

I went outlaw one and half a year ago with around 800m in wallet. Now its more than 15 Bils in cash and more than double in hardware. All was earned in lowsec by that time.
So dont worry bout us :)

All my posts are made shortly after Marihuana consumption.
Adunh Slavy
#51 - 2012-04-11 23:24:02 UTC
Jessie-A Tassik wrote:

So try to be less of an idiot.



Soon as you stop being a douche bag

Necessity is the plea for every infringement of human freedom. It is the argument of tyrants; it is the creed of slaves.  - William Pitt
Jas Dor
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#52 - 2012-04-11 23:43:37 UTC
Xylorn Hasher wrote:

You are wrong Liang.
Most pirate corps have strong industrial alt corps. How do you think who is making CAP ships, drugs, T2 ships and other stuff?
Large part of it is made in lowsec by us.

I went outlaw one and half a year ago with around 800m in wallet. Now its more than 15 Bils in cash and more than double in hardware. All was earned in lowsec by that time.
So dont worry bout us :)



Might I humbly suggest that

1. Now that this has been moved to Market discussion the quality of the posting seems to be improving; and

2. A low sec pirate who reads market discussion might not be representative of the average 0.0 line pilot (for one thing you have the good sense to do something more fun than being a 0.0 line pilot).
Silver Ott
#53 - 2012-04-11 23:53:22 UTC
biggest crybaby thread ever
boohoo sadstory
Jas Dor
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#54 - 2012-04-12 00:16:06 UTC
Hum. I find it surprising how many people here are rejecting the simple concept that eve is a game and people playing a game will not adopt the role of victim. Sure folks will lose ships PvPing. Getting into a ship who's role is to be an easy kill for somebody else, not so much.

Trit averaged 5.89 yesterday. It's averaging 6.19 as we speak (nope make that 6.20 on sell orders). That's a tad over 17.8m/hour from mining and rising. I hate to point this out but it doesn't look like players are much interested in getting ganked in mining barges for the what the market is currently willing to pay them.
Daniel Plain
Doomheim
#55 - 2012-04-12 00:31:51 UTC
the reason you are wrong OP is that you assume that everyone cares as much about losing ships as you do. i myself regularly scan down low class WHs and clean them out in a cheap BC. if i get ganked, i eject and warp to the exit hole without losing a second thought. and i can also confirm that i am not the only one doing this, i even met a guy who was solo MINING in a C2 once.

TL;DR: people don't care about losing ships, therefore you're wrong.

I should buy an Ishtar.
Silver Ott
#56 - 2012-04-12 00:49:33 UTC  |  Edited by: Silver Ott
...so miners are victims and mining trit is still not worth it?

do go on sir thats some riveting ****
Javajunky
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#57 - 2012-04-12 01:32:34 UTC
About mining...

.... working as intended
.... some people like it, even if you dont, sorry
... thank you CCP for making mining the thing the cool kids do...
.... no changes necessary, miners are happy

That is all...
Jas Dor
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#58 - 2012-04-12 03:00:57 UTC
Daniel Plain wrote:
the reason you are wrong OP is that you assume that everyone cares as much about losing ships as you do. i myself regularly scan down low class WHs and clean them out in a cheap BC. if i get ganked, i eject and warp to the exit hole without losing a second thought. and i can also confirm that i am not the only one doing this, i even met a guy who was solo MINING in a C2 once.

TL;DR: people don't care about losing ships, therefore you're wrong.


What makes you think that I am arguing from personal feeling and not a string of observations about player behavior. You yourself are helping to prove my thesis. You indicate that you do not mind dying, in a relatively low probability event (killed in a WH), without social stigmatization (**** happens in a WH), while doing something relatively interesting. Yeah, I don't mind the occasional ship loss from living outside of empire either.

There is a big difference from doing something relatively secure and signing up to do a stupid. Becoming gank bait in a barge is signing up to do something stupid. So is carrying 1B in a T1 hauler. Both are things people either don't do or only do once. Right now we are seeing a bunch of people going "tried it, got ganked, got the message about mining in high sec." Unfortunately unless a significant number of lemmings volunteer to be gank bait in high sec, low end prices will continue to rise.

As indeed they have.
Silver Ott
#59 - 2012-04-12 03:09:37 UTC
omg the sky is falling y2k is coming everybody panic

maybe you should consider playing eve in a bombshelter or the likes until patch day just to be on the safe side
Kreeia Dgore
24th Imperial Crusade
Amarr Empire
#60 - 2012-04-12 04:30:33 UTC
I want a minigame!
Did you guys see the fanfest state of the economy video? Mining is one of the most performed activities (though bots may have caused this), but it is the most hated one. I would like to see a minigame, nothing difficult, but something that will benefit folks plying aftively, not half afk or bots. If there would be a minigame, for example similar to the scanning proces of identifying anomalies, while now you would identify the most yielding parts of the asteroid to gain better yield and not having to chop through the rock parts, it would speed things a bit and surely make them more fun. Those either botting or mostly afk would be left with the possibility of mining, but wouldn't be as efficient as when playing actively.We could have a special module for that, or just adjust the survey scanners, we need them anyway.
Once mining will be more fun (and hulks somehow boosted in defence), the situation may get better. Right now, it is just a dull activity folks have to do. I also appreciate the new ideas about group mining ops in mining belts, but frankly, mining mechanics is old and boring, you would give us great new place to be, but it won't help for in the end the folks will just be bored together.