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Selinate
#21 - 2012-04-11 18:25:49 UTC
It's not that hard to live and mine in lowsec....
Sri Nova
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#22 - 2012-04-11 18:26:29 UTC  |  Edited by: Sri Nova
DUDE !!! what are you doing !! you giving away all the sooooper seecwet 0.0 stuff !!!





Marduk Nibiru wrote:
Jas Dor wrote:


3. Players loose ships and realize that the mechanics of the feature require self selecting victimhood.


I have to wonder if you've ever been out of hisec. Let me tell you how it works and why what you're claiming here is false:

Mining out in 0.0 has to be at least as stupid as mining in lowsec, right? If you're in lowsec and get blown up, at least it takes a chunk out of the offending party's sec status and gives you free right to kill them. In 0.0 they don't even get that. It is completely lawless out there. So why would anyone mine in 0.0, right?

Well, people do. A lot of people do. You can make a crap load more money mining in 0.0 than in hisec. What keeps people out of lowsec right now is not the danger, it's the fact that it's a complete waste of time. There's nothing in lowsec that outperforms mining for Veldspar in terms of ISK per m3....certainly not enough to risk anything.

What happens in 0.0 is that people mine in groups and within alliances full of people who love to blow **** up. Having a gang come into system to explode miners is actually cool because then they get to fly out and get a fight without having the effort of roaming.

We set up special channels that people report neutral and red activities in. See a red or neut in your system? Drag them into the chat and then the system you're in...say what they're flying...or NV if you are hiding and haven't seen them.

People who are mining (or ratting for that matter) watch these channels and carefully observe local for anyone that's not blue. As soon as such a person comes into the system, or hopefully sooner based on intel, all carebearing activities cease and you dock up, safe up, pos up, and/or cloak up. Then you wait for the alliance to respond or maybe you get into something more PvP oriented and help blow up these invaders yourself.

So, that's how you do it. You don't go out and solo-mine in lowsec, nullsec, and you really shouldn't be in hisec either. EvE is simply not a game for the solo player. I don't think CCP should really cater to them either. Get a good group together and you can do dangerous things with more safety. Be out there all alone and yeah, you're gonna die.

So there it is. That's why you're full of ****. Maybe CCP will lose a couple subs, but I think they are subs from people who simply don't like the game. This is fine, we shouldn't really be too worried about it. There are, in fact, plenty of people who DO like the game. Corp up!
Jas Dor
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#23 - 2012-04-11 18:29:21 UTC
Nimbat wrote:
I long for the day when faction ships are an awesome and rare sight and when the majority of EVE flies T1 ships.
It would be amazing.


Bak in the day PvPers always flew the best ship that they could. Only lack of SP drove the use of inferior ships. Faction ships started appearing more in PvP when CCP added them to the market. Prior to that they lacked the visibility for widespread use.

If you make PvP ships navfordable PvPers will quit. They will not downgrade the ship types they fly.
Liang Nuren
No Salvation
#24 - 2012-04-11 18:31:31 UTC
Jas Dor wrote:
Nimbat wrote:
I long for the day when faction ships are an awesome and rare sight and when the majority of EVE flies T1 ships.
It would be amazing.


Bak in the day PvPers always flew the best ship that they could. Only lack of SP drove the use of inferior ships. Faction ships started appearing more in PvP when CCP added them to the market. Prior to that they lacked the visibility for widespread use.

If you make PvP ships navfordable PvPers will quit. They will not downgrade the ship types they fly.


You're wrong.

-Liang

I'm an idiot, don't mind me.
masternerdguy
Doomheim
#25 - 2012-04-11 18:32:53 UTC
Jas Dor wrote:
Nimbat wrote:
I long for the day when faction ships are an awesome and rare sight and when the majority of EVE flies T1 ships.
It would be amazing.


Bak in the day PvPers always flew the best ship that they could. Only lack of SP drove the use of inferior ships. Faction ships started appearing more in PvP when CCP added them to the market. Prior to that they lacked the visibility for widespread use.

If you make PvP ships navfordable PvPers will quit. They will not downgrade the ship types they fly.


I won't quit. Because all of a sudden the favorite ship will just be a tier lower hull. More BC and C less BS.

Things are only impossible until they are not.
Selinate
#26 - 2012-04-11 18:33:00 UTC
Nimbat wrote:
I long for the day when faction ships are an awesome and rare sight and when the majority of EVE flies T1 ships.
It would be amazing.


IMO, faction ships should be made a lot more rare for BPC's to drop, or increased building requirements.. They're too prevalent as it is in PvP, it's kind of annoying...
Nimbat
Livets Ord.
#27 - 2012-04-11 18:33:42 UTC
Liang Nuren wrote:
Jas Dor wrote:
Nimbat wrote:
I long for the day when faction ships are an awesome and rare sight and when the majority of EVE flies T1 ships.
It would be amazing.


Bak in the day PvPers always flew the best ship that they could. Only lack of SP drove the use of inferior ships. Faction ships started appearing more in PvP when CCP added them to the market. Prior to that they lacked the visibility for widespread use.

If you make PvP ships navfordable PvPers will quit. They will not downgrade the ship types they fly.


You're wrong.

-Liang


Who is?
Darth Tickles
Doomheim
#28 - 2012-04-11 18:36:01 UTC
Jas Dor wrote:
Bak in the day PvPers always flew the best ship that they could. Only lack of SP drove the use of inferior ships. Faction ships started appearing more in PvP when CCP added them to the market. Prior to that they lacked the visibility for widespread use.

If you make PvP ships navfordable PvPers will quit. They will not downgrade the ship types they fly.


LOL

Another group of people that are supposedly going to quit the game.

Have you considered that maybe everyone else isn't a whiny entitled baby like you?
Kattshiro
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#29 - 2012-04-11 18:36:45 UTC
I actually mine right now due to time conflicts and level of concentration... I have never been ganked (I dont even fly hulks...) I think it's blown out of proportion honestly.

2. If I am ganked.... I dont give a **** about a loss mail. It's not a matter of pride. I also fail to see how getting ganked in a covetor is a stupid "mistake.." How could it be. (Yeah yeah why the **** are you mining youre doing it wrong blah blah)

I dont mine in lowsec because i'd then have to pay 100% attention...which I already stated I can't do or else i'd be doing something else...

I dont think people want to mine in low sec due to being forced to pay attention to how boring mining really is. That's the problem aside from the part that mining to be profitable or useful needs to be done in a group. Address the fundemental nature of mining and make it more entertaining/non stationary and you'll see an upswing.

As of now you see: People like me who can't devote 100% of their attention yet still want to interact with the game (work, school work...hungover)
People who really dont have an issue with the mechanics of it... I dunno how they do it.
mandatory mining corp ops
Bots.
Jas Dor
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#30 - 2012-04-11 18:38:49 UTC
Just a quick note. If I did the math right a JF cn haul around 360m units of trit in the form of compressed veld. Those that understand logistics will grasp why this means that significant amounts of trit will not be coming from 0.0.
Liang Nuren
No Salvation
#31 - 2012-04-11 18:40:03 UTC
Nimbat wrote:
Who is?


PVPers are not going to quit because higher tier ships are more expensive. They'll downgrade the ship they fly before quitting.

-Liang

I'm an idiot, don't mind me.
Selinate
#32 - 2012-04-11 18:42:31 UTC
Kattshiro wrote:
I actually mine right now due to time conflicts and level of concentration... I have never been ganked (I dont even fly hulks...) I think it's blown out of proportion honestly.

2. If I am ganked.... I dont give a **** about a loss mail. It's not a matter of pride. I also fail to see how getting ganked in a covetor is a stupid "mistake.." How could it be. (Yeah yeah why the **** are you mining youre doing it wrong blah blah)

I dont mine in lowsec because i'd then have to pay 100% attention...which I already stated I can't do or else i'd be doing something else...

I dont think people want to mine in low sec due to being forced to pay attention to how boring mining really is. That's the problem aside from the part that mining to be profitable or useful needs to be done in a group. Address the fundemental nature of mining and make it more entertaining/non stationary and you'll see an upswing.

As of now you see: People like me who can't devote 100% of their attention yet still want to interact with the game (work, school work...hungover)
People who really dont have an issue with the mechanics of it... I dunno how they do it.
mandatory mining corp ops
Bots.


If I were mining, I would actually rather mine in low sec space almost exclusively. While the profit isn't really that much better (if it is at all), certain low sec pockets are pretty much completely empty, and on top of that it's actually not that hard at all to take stuff from low sec to high sec or vice versa (just fit like 3 stabs in your lows, a decent tank, and you'll be able to make it through Rancer if you want. I've done it multiple times FFS). Want advice on how to not lose your hulk in lowsec? Align for a station and dock when you see a neutral in local. Not that hard.

I don't see why there's so much whining. Do you people want some form of farmville except where you play it in spaceships? That takes the fun out of the game for me.
Darth Gustav
Sith Interstellar Tech Harvesting
#33 - 2012-04-11 18:43:14 UTC
Liang Nuren wrote:
Nimbat wrote:
Who is?


PVPers are not going to quit because higher tier ships are more expensive. They'll downgrade the ship they fly before quitting.

-Liang

While simultaneously ramping up the tear factor for everybody involved.

As previously stated, CCP has successfully buffed the tears of the unwashed masses.

**** is about to get really good around here!!! EvilOopsTwistedPiratePLolCoolOopsEvilTwistedPiratePiratePirate

He who trolls trolls best when he who is trolled trolls the troller. -Darth Gustav's Axiom
Bane Necran
Appono Astos
#34 - 2012-04-11 18:46:11 UTC
You really seem fixated on the victim thing. And loss mails are only as important as you want them to be.

I've never really thought of myself as a victim when i lose ships. It's more of a job hazard. And after you lose enough ships you stop caring, which is why griefers prefer to target new players for precious tears.

"In the void is virtue, and no evil. Wisdom has existence, principle has existence, the Way has existence, spirit is nothingness." ~Miyamoto Musashi
IGNATIUS HOOD
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#35 - 2012-04-11 18:51:46 UTC  |  Edited by: IGNATIUS HOOD
/hands you a new stick so you can beat a dead horse some more....

I'm sorry this ganking of HS miners you speak of is so much a non issues aside from the times when someone is making a concerted effort to gank HS mining.

Hulkageddon, Ice Interdiction etc etc etc...

Do you not realize that the gankers are going to be pricing themselves out of business? Ganking is a barely profitable venture as it is and now with the 'Boomerang Exploit' fixed, and the fact that Concorded ships payout no insurance you have to be a moron or a total a$$hat with deep pockets to want to keep on ganking for the 'fun' of it. Also with profitablity comes incentive to innovate. I'm curious to see where that leads. I for one am optimistic about the changes becuase it shakes up the established order of things. An established order that alot of folks continually b!tch about. Some of the same people saying the sky is falling now were the same folks p!ss!ng and moaning about bots and drone droppings. Now these folks are lamenting the CCP fixes.

I swear people who play this game aren't happy unless they are miserable.

I'm going to reserve my OMG EVE IS DYING!!11!!!1!!!1! paranoia until after I see evidence that it is in fact dying.

Perhaps you should as well OP

PS. Barges do not need moar tank, just smarter pilots.
PSS. Anyone who says mining is boring needs to get some EVE friends. A few Covetors (Hulks are overpriced targets IMO) with an Orca + a six pack of beer is a wonderful way to kill a few hours.
"Every normal man must be tempted at times to spit upon his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin slitting throats."   --H.L. Mencken
Liang Nuren
No Salvation
#36 - 2012-04-11 18:53:03 UTC
Darth Gustav wrote:

While simultaneously ramping up the tear factor for everybody involved.

As previously stated, CCP has successfully buffed the tears of the unwashed masses.

**** is about to get really good around here!!! EvilOopsTwistedPiratePLolCoolOopsEvilTwistedPiratePiratePirate


Uh, most of the PVPers I know may grumble for a while, but it won't last that long. We're a pretty adaptable lot and as a whole are remarkably good at ISK making and such. Hell I'm grumbling over the market prices of stuff, but a volatile market is going to incredibly good for my ISK reserves.

Don't confuse grumbling over short term discomfort with the perpetual whine we hear from die hard carebears.

-Liang

I'm an idiot, don't mind me.
Darth Gustav
Sith Interstellar Tech Harvesting
#37 - 2012-04-11 18:55:51 UTC
Liang Nuren wrote:
Darth Gustav wrote:

While simultaneously ramping up the tear factor for everybody involved.

As previously stated, CCP has successfully buffed the tears of the unwashed masses.

**** is about to get really good around here!!! EvilOopsTwistedPiratePLolCoolOopsEvilTwistedPiratePiratePirate


Uh, most of the PVPers I know may grumble for a while, but it won't last that long. We're a pretty adaptable lot and as a whole are remarkably good at ISK making and such. Hell I'm grumbling over the market prices of stuff, but a volatile market is going to incredibly good for my ISK reserves.

Don't confuse grumbling over short term discomfort with the perpetual whine we hear from die hard carebears.

-Liang

I was agreeing with you and extrapolating your point. Learn reading comprehension, I guess?

See also: THAT WAS NOT AN ARGUMENT.

He who trolls trolls best when he who is trolled trolls the troller. -Darth Gustav's Axiom
IronLemur
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#38 - 2012-04-11 18:56:41 UTC
Darth Tickles wrote:
Eve is dying because I'm not getting my way thread #968572


Played-out "L2P" comment that contributes nothing to a thread #5,665,324
Karl Hobb
Imperial Margarine
#39 - 2012-04-11 18:57:30 UTC
Bane Necran wrote:
I've never really thought of myself as a victim when i lose ships. It's more of a job hazard. And after you lose enough ships you stop caring, which is why griefers prefer to target new players for precious tears.

QFT.

A professional astro-bastard was not available so they sent me.
Darth Gustav
Sith Interstellar Tech Harvesting
#40 - 2012-04-11 18:58:46 UTC
IronLemur wrote:
Darth Tickles wrote:
Eve is dying because I'm not getting my way thread #968572


Played-out "L2P" comment that contributes nothing to a thread #5,665,324

How about this then? HTFU

He who trolls trolls best when he who is trolled trolls the troller. -Darth Gustav's Axiom