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As it currently stands, it looks like CCP will make mining the major source for low end minerals.

With mining barge and exhumer tanks where they are high sec mining for low requires players to accepted the very real possibility of being ganked. Bot owners are fine with being ganked, its a cost of business on a throw away account. Players on the other hand hate being ganked. It leaves a permanent loss mail tied to the account. It also shows the player getting caught doing something stupid enough to give away and easy kill. While stupid might simply mean mining in a belt, players will tend to avoid such activities.

We've seen this with low sec. Players absolutely refuse to engage in conduct that requires them to self select to be victims. Instead we get a bunch of whining on the forums, then if CCP does not intervene abandonment of the feature/activity. Invariably, those looking for easy kills will blame the lack of such kills on carebearism. Unfortunately, such claims have until recently had great weight with CCP. What is normally not recognized is that refusal to participate is the antithesis of carebearism. One of the first (and hardest) steps of being a successful PvPer is not doing stupid things that are going to get you killed. Self selecting to be a victim is stupid.

CCP has decided to tie the eve economy, directly, to the willingness of players to self select for victimhood. The current state of mining follows the classic pattern of feature abandonment:
1. New Feature Becomes Available (CCP bans mining bots, starts removing non mining mineral faucets).
2. Players try out the newly profitable feature.
3. Players loose ships and realize that the mechanics of the feature require self selecting victimhood.
4. Players point out to CCP that the mechanics of the feature are stupid.
5. Players abandon the feature when CCP does nothing about it.

Right now we are in the state of people trying mining again for the first time in years. They are finding how poorly tanked barges are and complaining/exiting the feature. As a result of tying a core component of the economy to players self selecting to be victims we are seeing a major increase in inflation. This will continue until some equilibrium is reached with the non-mining mineral inputs still in the system and/or it becomes profitable to mine low ends in protected null sec space.

Most likely though is sudden, explosive, subscription loss when the inflation situation makes continuing to play this game untenable.

Give exhumers enough powergrid to fit some buffer mods and things would be better.

If prices of minerals out of low or nullsec go up ( which is what inflation does ), then nullsec corporations and alliances will start focusing on mining the belts in their own systems more and more, because this becomes more profitable.
This in turn will drag the prices down again, hey presto, you got your balance.

I doubt that will be the case. At least not in the dramatic scene of players running for the hello kitty hills.

Your whole thought structure is based on the stubborn fallacy that mining is a solo activity that can only be performed in high security space.

Mining does not make anyone a victim. Being unorganised, unwilling to co-operate with others and doing it in the wrong place makes one a victim. It is therefore no different from any other activity in EVE.

So get paid twice as much for you loots and paying twice as much for the things you buy?

AmIrite?

-Vix

Industrialists with sand in their vaginas across New Eden, story at eleven.

Now back to your regularly scheduled bullshit.

I have to wonder if you've ever been out of hisec. Let me tell you how it works and why what you're claiming here is false:

Mining out in 0.0 has to be at least as stupid as mining in lowsec, right? If you're in lowsec and get blown up, at least it takes a chunk out of the offending party's sec status and gives you free right to kill them. In 0.0 they don't even get that. It is completely lawless out there. So why would anyone mine in 0.0, right?

Well, people do. A lot of people do. You can make a crap load more money mining in 0.0 than in hisec. What keeps people out of lowsec right now is not the danger, it's the fact that it's a complete waste of time. There's nothing in lowsec that outperforms mining for Veldspar in terms of ISK per m3....certainly not enough to risk anything.

What happens in 0.0 is that people mine in groups and within alliances full of people who love to blow **** up. Having a gang come into system to explode miners is actually cool because then they get to fly out and get a fight without having the effort of roaming.

We set up special channels that people report neutral and red activities in. See a red or neut in your system? Drag them into the chat and then the system you're in...say what they're flying...or NV if you are hiding and haven't seen them.

People who are mining (or ratting for that matter) watch these channels and carefully observe local for anyone that's not blue. As soon as such a person comes into the system, or hopefully sooner based on intel, all carebearing activities cease and you dock up, safe up, pos up, and/or cloak up. Then you wait for the alliance to respond or maybe you get into something more PvP oriented and help blow up these invaders yourself.

So, that's how you do it. You don't go out and solo-mine in lowsec, nullsec, and you really shouldn't be in hisec either. EvE is simply not a game for the solo player. I don't think CCP should really cater to them either. Get a good group together and you can do dangerous things with more safety. Be out there all alone and yeah, you're gonna die.

So there it is. That's why you're full of ****. Maybe CCP will lose a couple subs, but I think they are subs from people who simply don't like the game. This is fine, we shouldn't really be too worried about it. There are, in fact, plenty of people who DO like the game. Corp up!

What she said ^

Are you claiming that group mining in low/null is an efficient way to get minerals into the game? A once a week corp mining op for a couple hours isn't going to meet the mineral demand in this game.