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Karl Hobb
Imperial Margarine
#21 - 2012-04-11 16:35:02 UTC
I recommend taking a long toke and looking in your fridge.

A professional astro-bastard was not available so they sent me.
Darth Gustav
Sith Interstellar Tech Harvesting
#22 - 2012-04-11 16:36:15 UTC
Flaming Head wrote:
Darth Gustav wrote:
Flaming Head wrote:
What on earth is 'be original' supposed to mean? Everything was original at some point. Providing I am not trying to copy something else I have seen or copy a well known phrase I am 'being original'.

Eve has been around for almost 10 years, how many thousands of word combination corporations have been created since?

Unless I want to call my corporation something completely random like Mouse Melon Jesus Socks, everything I have come up with so far has been taken.

And no I am not trying to call myself names like 'Alpha Corp', 'Apature Science' or 'Temporal Shift'. That really would be 'unoriginal'.


So players who paid their million ISK to start a corp and then took a break from Eve should be stripped of their ISK's value (Corp/Corpname taken away) for your mental convenience?

Precisely how many corps would have to become Corp####### before your brain has enough power to come up with a corp name that is no longer taken? How many perturbations of your ideas did you try? Did you use synonyms? Acronyms? Did you try splashing in a dash of l33t?

I only wonder because it seems to me like your idea is pretty terrible and you wouldn't want this to happen to you after a break from Eve anymore than the people whose corpnames you want to victimize. Especially given how much effott you have obviously had to put into it.

Am I right?


No actually, if I came back to eve after 5 years of not playing and found myself in a noob corp and someone else had my original corp name I would think 'fair enough', as I would imagine most rational people would.

I would say that perhaps the word 'played' is key here to describe someone who hasn't logged in for 5 years...you are likely uppity about the idea because you continue to play and assign social value to the name of your corp rather and those it, something that someone who comes back to Eve after 5 years is unlikely to do I should imagine given that there would be no one left in the corp in the situations I have described...).

If taking away a name from a legitimate player is such an issue, a simple fix would be to parse the database for corporations held by alts with no skillpoint development at all on accounts that have been inactive for >5 years. A number of legitimate players holding a corp in this way to be affected would be so miniscule to not merit mentioning compared with the number of forgotten faceless alts of people who tried eve, created a corp and decided not to bother.


All this, so you can think of a name? You want them to datamine all the dead corps in Eve for you?

Princess much?

He who trolls trolls best when he who is trolled trolls the troller. -Darth Gustav's Axiom
Benny Ohu
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#23 - 2012-04-11 16:37:37 UTC
I think the OP has a good point about one-man minimum-skill alts taking up corp names. Their post wasn't about actual old corps, just one-man non-corps. Telling them to 'be more creative' to get around the issue doesn't make it any less of an issue.
Darth Gustav
Sith Interstellar Tech Harvesting
#24 - 2012-04-11 16:39:27 UTC
Benny Ohu wrote:
I think the OP has a good point about one-man minimum-skill alts taking up corp names. Their post wasn't about actual old corps, just one-man non-corps. Telling them to 'be more creative' to get around the issue doesn't make it any less of an issue.

Those people paid their in-game ISK to reserve the name, too.

If I had the oldest corp in Eve, came back, found it gone and me in an NPC corp...

...I'd wonder why they datamined my corp for a half-wit's naming woes tbfh.

He who trolls trolls best when he who is trolled trolls the troller. -Darth Gustav's Axiom
Kieron VonDeux
#25 - 2012-04-11 16:41:54 UTC
Flaming Head wrote:

No actually, if I came back to eve after 5 years of not playing and found myself in a noob corp and someone else had my original corp name I would think 'fair enough'...


I doubt you would say that in 5 years when you decide to take a n-year break and find your "perfect" corp name had been repossessed. Even if you did, not everyone would.

The current system is the most fair. You come up with the name first, you get to keep it.
Spy 21
Doomheim
#26 - 2012-04-11 16:42:35 UTC
Destination SkillQueue wrote:
Use an original name or bypass the limitation by using an extra symbol in the name. I'm not saying your idea is bad, just that this really is an issue you can easily get around on your own by using a minimum amount of imagination.


This.
It can be bypassed as easily as adding a period at the end of the name.

I can think of a hundred cool character/corp names anytime I want... except of course while I am on the corp or character creation screen then all that comes to mind is stupid crap like scooterdoodle etc...

S

Obfuscation for the WIN on page 3...
Benny Ohu
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#27 - 2012-04-11 16:46:02 UTC
Darth Gustav wrote:
Benny Ohu wrote:
I think the OP has a good point about one-man minimum-skill alts taking up corp names. Their post wasn't about actual old corps, just one-man non-corps. Telling them to 'be more creative' to get around the issue doesn't make it any less of an issue.

Those people paid their in-game ISK to reserve the name, too.

If I had the oldest corp in Eve, came back, found it gone and me in an NPC corp...

...I'd wonder why they datamined my corp for a half-wit's naming woes tbfh.


Oh, no. A one-day's-worth-of-skills character and an entire million ISK, gone.

If someone created a corp with no members on a one-day character then cancelled their sub, there's really no reason for the corp to exist at all. Better it goes to someone who actually plans to recruit some members and do something with it.

Stop crying "LULZ THE OP HAS NONE IMAGNATION", it's not an argument.
Asuka Solo
I N E X T R E M I S
Tactical Narcotics Team
#28 - 2012-04-11 16:46:55 UTC
Isha Aylet wrote:
Put a . after it?


Or put a . in front of it?

Eve is about Capital ships, WiS, Boobs, PI and Isk!
Micheal Dietrich
Kings Gambit Black
#29 - 2012-04-11 16:47:50 UTC  |  Edited by: Micheal Dietrich
Guy does kind of have a point. Was bored one day and was running a search on some well known names (tv shows and whatnot), and most of the names I hit up were expired alts in npc corps made in the first few years that had never logged in to game past creation.

A few examples:

Chuck Norris - http://evewho.com/pilot/Chuck+Norris

Captain Kirk (the original one, not the dyslexic imposter we have lurking on the forums) - http://evewho.com/pilot/Captain+KirK

Reavers - http://evewho.com/corp/Reavers

Lord of War - http://evewho.com/corp/Lord+of+Wa

Macgyver - http://evewho.com/pilot/MacGyver

Jack O'Neill - http://evewho.com/pilot/Jack+O%27Neill

Peewee Herman - Whoa crap, that one ain't listed.

Clockwork Orange - http://evewho.com/corp/Clockwork+Orange

Renegades of Funk - http://evewho.com/corp/Renegades+of+Funk

Anyone else see a trend forming with all those? A lot of these people aren't coming back.


Edit: **** you forums! **** you!

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Darth Gustav
Sith Interstellar Tech Harvesting
#30 - 2012-04-11 16:48:45 UTC
Benny Ohu wrote:
Darth Gustav wrote:
Benny Ohu wrote:
I think the OP has a good point about one-man minimum-skill alts taking up corp names. Their post wasn't about actual old corps, just one-man non-corps. Telling them to 'be more creative' to get around the issue doesn't make it any less of an issue.

Those people paid their in-game ISK to reserve the name, too.

If I had the oldest corp in Eve, came back, found it gone and me in an NPC corp...

...I'd wonder why they datamined my corp for a half-wit's naming woes tbfh.


Oh, no. A one-day's-worth-of-skills character and an entire million ISK, gone.

If someone created a corp with no members on a one-day character then cancelled their sub, there's really no reason for the corp to exist at all. Better it goes to someone who actually plans to recruit some members and do something with it.

Stop crying "LULZ THE OP HAS NONE IMAGNATION", it's not an argument.

Neither is taking **** away from somebody who has already done what's necessary to secure it. In any context.

CCP does not do this. Hell, they're even giving back the mine bpo's that accidentally disappeared due to DB shuffles...

So, yep, terribad idea. Which could be the name of OP's corp: TERRIBAD INC

He who trolls trolls best when he who is trolled trolls the troller. -Darth Gustav's Axiom
Petrus Blackshell
Rifterlings
#31 - 2012-04-11 16:49:02 UTC
Benny Ohu wrote:
I think the OP has a good point about one-man minimum-skill alts taking up corp names. Their post wasn't about actual old corps, just one-man non-corps. Telling them to 'be more creative' to get around the issue doesn't make it any less of an issue.

It's the same complaint that occurs about domain name squatting. What if you wanted to start a website for your deluxe peanut shop family business called Peanut House, but found that peanuthouse.com is taken by someone who is not even using it?

That person had the idea to get the domain name first, and paid money to do so, just as the guy in that one-man corp you're hating on did. In fact, the guy in the one-man corp likely paid more for his corp name legacy than the domain name squatter paid for the same amount of time holding peanuthouse.com. Why can anyone feel entitled to a corp name enough to boot someone else who paid for the same corp name?

Plus, just because it's a one-man corp and has been so since 2006 doesn't mean that the account is inactive, or even that the character is inactive.

That's why the solution is: be more creative.

Accidentally The Whole Frigate - For-newbies blog (currently on pause)
Petrus Blackshell
Rifterlings
#32 - 2012-04-11 16:50:06 UTC
Asuka Solo wrote:
Isha Aylet wrote:
Put a . after it?


Or put a . in front of it?

Surround it with xX and Xx. If that doesn't work, try .xX and Xx.

Accidentally The Whole Frigate - For-newbies blog (currently on pause)
Benny Ohu
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#33 - 2012-04-11 16:56:34 UTC
Petrus Blackshell wrote:
It's the same complaint that occurs about domain name squatting. What if you wanted to start a website for your deluxe peanut shop family business called Peanut House, but found that peanuthouse.com is taken by someone who is not even using it?

That person had the idea to get the domain name first, and paid money to do so, just as the guy in that one-man corp you're hating on did. In fact, the guy in the one-man corp likely paid more for his corp name legacy than the domain name squatter paid for the same amount of time holding peanuthouse.com. Why can anyone feel entitled to a corp name enough to boot someone else who paid for the same corp name?


That's true, and if making people buy corps from you for the name was a thing, I'd like it. If there was a game around it, if there was a reason in EVE to sit on a corp name... but there isn't :(

I mean, I hear you're allowed to continually bump a freighter if you have an actual reason for doing so. (Don't take my word on that, it's normally considered grief play)

I don't think corp names that belonged to actual corps that had members should be claimable, though. Those are a part of EVE history.
Flaming Head
Doomheim
#34 - 2012-04-11 16:58:38 UTC
Darth Gustav wrote:
Flaming Head wrote:
No actually, if I came back to eve after 5 years of not playing and found myself in a noob corp and someone else had my original corp name I would think 'fair enough', as I would imagine most rational people would.

I would say that perhaps the word 'played' is key here to describe someone who hasn't logged in for 5 years...you are likely uppity about the idea because you continue to play and assign social value to the name of your corp rather and those it, something that someone who comes back to Eve after 5 years is unlikely to do I should imagine given that there would be no one left in the corp in the situations I have described...).

If taking away a name from a legitimate player is such an issue, a simple fix would be to parse the database for corporations held by alts with no skillpoint development at all on accounts that have been inactive for >5 years. A number of legitimate players holding a corp in this way to be affected would be so miniscule to not merit mentioning compared with the number of forgotten faceless alts of people who tried eve, created a corp and decided not to bother.


All this, so you can think of a name? You want them to datamine all the dead corps in Eve for you?

Princess much?


No, I want to datamine all the dead corps in Eve for other people wanting to start a corp. I already have a suitable corp name now after placing some punctuation half way through the name I originally wanted which was a pretty obscure mix of pretty random words and something quite personal to me. To be honest I was VERY surprised it was taken.

I did not expect this much hostility towards an idea designed to clean up the database, and free up some names for the new spunk coming into the game. Fair enough taking names from established players on a 3 year 'break' might be out of the question, but shutting down 'corporations' held by completely undeveloped alts on 5 year inactive accounts?

Something like this could probably be quite easily be coded into a script/parser with some kind IF/THEN function to delete entries with perameters surrounding '>5 year account inactivity' and 'character development = 0' (I don't pretend to be a programmer so mock me if needs be but I'm sure CCP's data trackers have perameters like these that could be taken advantage of). I'm sure some kind of database failsafe already exists to dump characters into their original noob corps if a bug causes them to become corpless.

Meh, I've said my piece which is what these forums are for at the end of the day. I'll leave the thread to burn in the flames.
Darth Gustav
Sith Interstellar Tech Harvesting
#35 - 2012-04-11 16:58:50 UTC  |  Edited by: Darth Gustav
Benny Ohu wrote:
Petrus Blackshell wrote:
It's the same complaint that occurs about domain name squatting. What if you wanted to start a website for your deluxe peanut shop family business called Peanut House, but found that peanuthouse.com is taken by someone who is not even using it?

That person had the idea to get the domain name first, and paid money to do so, just as the guy in that one-man corp you're hating on did. In fact, the guy in the one-man corp likely paid more for his corp name legacy than the domain name squatter paid for the same amount of time holding peanuthouse.com. Why can anyone feel entitled to a corp name enough to boot someone else who paid for the same corp name?


That's true, and if making people buy corps from you for the name was a thing, I'd like it. If there was a game around it, if there was a reason in EVE to sit on a corp name... but there isn't :(

I mean, I hear you're allowed to continually bump a freighter if you have an actual reason for doing so. (Don't take my word on that, it's normally considered grief play)

I don't think corp names that belonged to actual corps that had members should be claimable, though. Those are a part of EVE history.

All corps have at least one member. Fun fact, they're all also part of Eve history, for the same reason.

And you can sell corpnames. Where does it say that you cannot?

Flaming Head wrote:
No, I want to datamine all the dead corps in Eve for other people wanting to start a corp. I already have a suitable corp name now after placing some punctuation half way through the name I originally wanted which was a pretty obscure mix of pretty random words and something quite personal to me. To be honest I was VERY surprised it was taken.

I did not expect this much hostility towards an idea designed to clean up the database, and free up some names for the new spunk coming into the game. Fair enough taking names from established players on a 3 year 'break' might be out of the question, but shutting down 'corporations' held by completely undeveloped alts on 5 year inactive accounts?

Something like this could probably be quite easily be coded into a script/parser with some kind IF/THEN function to delete entries with perameters surrounding '>5 year account inactivity' and 'character development = 0' (I don't pretend to be a programmer so mock me if needs be but I'm sure CCP's data trackers have perameters like these that could be taken advantage of). I'm sure some kind of database failsafe already exists to dump characters into their original noob corps if a bug causes them to become corpless.

Meh, I've said my piece which is what these forums are for at the end of the day. I'll leave the thread to burn in the flames.

They may still have value. Those corps can be tradeable commodities. Simply stripping them away is bad for business.

He who trolls trolls best when he who is trolled trolls the troller. -Darth Gustav's Axiom
Petrus Blackshell
Rifterlings
#36 - 2012-04-11 16:59:41 UTC
Benny Ohu wrote:
That's true, and if making people buy corps from you for the name was a thing, I'd like it. If there was a game around it, if there was a reason in EVE to sit on a corp name... but there isn't :(

Sounds like an untapped niche. Why are you here whining about it instead of out there selling corp names?
Benny Ohu wrote:

I mean, I hear you're allowed to continually bump a freighter if you have an actual reason for doing so. (Don't take my word on that, it's normally considered grief play)

I think "amusement" is considered an "actual reason".

Accidentally The Whole Frigate - For-newbies blog (currently on pause)
Vetorept Fera
Doomheim
#37 - 2012-04-11 17:00:34 UTC
MeestaPenni wrote:
Look around...

"Mouse Melon Jesus Socks" will fit in quite well.


I think you should go with: Mouse Melon Jesus Socks DOT

In pace requiescat
Elena Melkan
Magellanic Itg
Goonswarm Federation
#38 - 2012-04-11 17:09:24 UTC
Benny Ohu wrote:
I think the OP has a good point about one-man minimum-skill alts taking up corp names. Their post wasn't about actual old corps, just one-man non-corps. Telling them to 'be more creative' to get around the issue doesn't make it any less of an issue.

It is definitely annoying for a person who desperately wants a certain special name for their corp to see that the name has been taken by some unknown alt. Fastest ones get the best names. We could perhaps compare this, maybe not perfectly accurately but still, to internet companies reserving certain wanted domain names. Those, who want the domains badly, will buy them. Or well, those who can afford to.

Darn, maybe one could make ISK with reserving and selling corp names as well?
Arrs Grazznic
Poena Executive Solutions
#39 - 2012-04-11 17:10:21 UTC
Flaming Head wrote:
So...the time has come to make a corp!

Name choosing...name choosing...name choosing. Oh...every name I think up appears to be taken by a one man corp whose CEO is a faceless placeholder alt sitting on a forgotten and long deactivated account!

Is there no way CCP can do some kind of corp purge and reset the names of corporations that have only 1 character on a deactivated account and haven't been touched for >5 years or something? (I'd say 2 or 3 years personally but those people 'might' come back to their no face alts with 5,000sp and 5,000ISK I suppose....../sarcasm).

I think it's safe to say that if someone hasn't logged in for 3/4/5 years and has no corp members left/was using an alt to keep a corp name 'safe', they aren't going to miss said corp even if they ever do resub (unlikely) and if they do miss it, so what they haven't been playing for 5 years???.

/dons flame retardant / tin foil hat / conspiracy cape / deceit diaper / troll t-shirt / pubbie pettiecoat / etc...

Really interested in knowing what names you were going for and are taken. Will really help with the answers you are getting :)#
Rico Minali
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#40 - 2012-04-11 17:15:44 UTC
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