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Most efficient setup for P0->P4
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DIsposible Hero
State War Academy
Caldari State
#1 - 2012-04-10 03:33:08 UTC  |  Edited by: DIsposible Hero
So I've finally gotten set up in my new nullsec home, and I'm thinking about trying something different with my PI. Previously I've only ever refined to P2 and then sold the goods on; usually POS fuels. Now however, I have access to a few more characters and I'm wanting to try something a bit more ambitious.

I have three characters in null, all with Command Center Upgrades and Interplanetary Consolidation to IV. In order to process from P0->P4, it looks like I'm going to have to upgrade one or most of them to have both skills at V eventually.

In the short term my plan is to harvest P0s, process to P1s, export to a factory planet and process to P3. Having done the math (my math is bad so take this with a grain of salt), it doesn't look like processing the P3s to P4s is worth it at this stage, as the import and export taxes will negate the value gained by processing to P4.

Obviously I can't process from P0->P4 on one planet, so I guess my question is; which is the best stage at which to export and ship to the next stage of the chain? Or is extraction -> P3 going to be more efficient, even with more planets available?
Hatt0ri Hanz0
Life sucks then you die Ltd.
#2 - 2012-04-10 12:39:13 UTC
Well you kinda answered your own question. The best approach, if your paying taxes, is to keep the number of imports and exports to a minimum. I would consider a P0 through P2, and then export. Import to a barren/temperate and do the P3 through P4, and then export final commodity. I don't think you can minimize your taxes any more then that, without purchasing goods, say P2s from the market, which could conceivably remove one of the exports. It will certainly help to get those level 4 skills to level 5s.
DIsposible Hero
State War Academy
Caldari State
#3 - 2012-04-11 05:08:58 UTC
Hatt0ri Hanz0 wrote:
Well you kinda answered your own question. The best approach, if your paying taxes, is to keep the number of imports and exports to a minimum. I would consider a P0 through P2, and then export. Import to a barren/temperate and do the P3 through P4, and then export final commodity. I don't think you can minimize your taxes any more then that, without purchasing goods, say P2s from the market, which could conceivably remove one of the exports. It will certainly help to get those level 4 skills to level 5s.


Well, P0->P2 would involve extracting two different types of P0, and then they'd need to be of a type which combine to make something useful. I don't think that's feasible is what I'm saying. I'll probably stick with my P0->P1 then P1->P3 and sell approach, untill I find a better solution.
Panhead4411
Rothschild's Sewage and Septic Sucking Services
The Possum Lodge
#4 - 2012-04-11 12:48:31 UTC
I want to say i'm fairly sure that i've seen guys have 0-4 setups on single planets in a WH...so i imagine that null would be similar.

But yes, you need PCC skill to 5 to pull it off.

From my experience, i ran a P4 chain in highsec until crucible tax-hammer-of-doom.

I had 3 chars each doing 0-2, then had a single factory doing 2-4. Its possible, just can be a real PITA...

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Sidrun
Life sucks then you die Ltd.
#5 - 2012-04-11 15:08:54 UTC
DIsposible Hero wrote:
Hatt0ri Hanz0 wrote:
Well you kinda answered your own question. The best approach, if your paying taxes, is to keep the number of imports and exports to a minimum. I would consider a P0 through P2, and then export. Import to a barren/temperate and do the P3 through P4, and then export final commodity. I don't think you can minimize your taxes any more then that, without purchasing goods, say P2s from the market, which could conceivably remove one of the exports. It will certainly help to get those level 4 skills to level 5s.


Well, P0->P2 would involve extracting two different types of P0, and then they'd need to be of a type which combine to make something useful. I don't think that's feasible is what I'm saying. I'll probably stick with my P0->P1 then P1->P3 and sell approach, untill I find a better solution.


It's very feasible, I think it's the most common approach. For instance I'm currently making mechanical parts and consumer electronics, each on one planet. Those when put together make robotics, one of the components for organic mortar applicators. The second component for the organic mortar is condensates. Do the same thing as above since condensates and coolant can each be done on (1) gas planet. The third component is bacteria which is a P1 good and can be extracted from a barren, which coincidentally is a planet you would need to do the p4 manufacturing. So just stick one extractor head to grab that, and along with the robotics and condensates, you can make your p4. The question is if its worth all the effort.
Sidrun
Life sucks then you die Ltd.
#6 - 2012-04-11 15:10:00 UTC
Panhead4411 wrote:
I want to say i'm fairly sure that i've seen guys have 0-4 setups on single planets in a WH...so i imagine that null would be similar.

But yes, you need PCC skill to 5 to pull it off.

From my experience, i ran a P4 chain in highsec until crucible tax-hammer-of-doom.

I had 3 chars each doing 0-2, then had a single factory doing 2-4. Its possible, just can be a real PITA...


Nope, not possible as far as I know, and I'm in a wormhole. P4's require at a minimum 2 different planets.