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DUST / EVE : Loss of some of the human drama?

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Ghost Hunter
True Slave Foundations
#1 - 2012-03-28 21:30:05 UTC
Hello,

This is primarily directed to the storyline developers responsible for DUST, but others are welcome.


I'm concerned about the upcoming DUST 514 trooper cloning technology, and the impact it will have on the human drama of EVE itself. Capsuleers in EVE are notorious for their treatment of non-Capsule people, particularly crews of starships and space installations. There's a lot of death, fear, desperation, and negative hoo-ha attached to being in space, particularly the military / combat aspects of it.

The DUST 514 trooper cloning tech, as far as my awareness goes, only seems to be limited by money. Capsuleers clone through the Capsule, which is limited by a genetic affinity only an extremely small fraction have. Soft-cloning and back ups are available to anyone with the money, but they're expensive, time consuming, and do not update the clone with the last memories before death. The Sansha's method of cloning is not elaborated on, but in function appears to be similar to Capsule cloning.

My driving fear is that DUST 514 will devalue the ongoing human drama about spaceship crews, cloning, and death by giving people an easy cop out. In the Incursion expansion and precursor storyline, the Nation's full scale cloning capability was/is an extremely Big Deal. Its possible that they got that ability from the same source as the DUST troopers (Sleepers), but it is not elaborated on and one of the mysteries in the storyline currently.

I do not know your intentions for those plot aspects, and what little I know is not very comforting. Perhaps this will be answered when DUST is released, but as far as I can tell nothing of that nature seems to be hinted at yet.

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Aynen
Federal Guard and Recon Corporation
#2 - 2012-03-29 08:36:05 UTC
The limit on Dust immortals is more than just money. They depend on the harvesting of sleepers, of which there is a finite amount left. Even with the population of Dust immortals and Eve capsuleers combined you'll only have scratched the surface of the total population of Eve.
Deceiver's Voice
Molok Subclade
#3 - 2012-03-29 09:40:38 UTC
Ghost Hunter wrote:
I'm concerned about the upcoming DUST 514 trooper cloning technology, and the impact it will have on the human drama of EVE itself. Capsuleers in EVE are notorious for their treatment of non-Capsule people, particularly crews of starships and space installations. There's a lot of death, fear, desperation, and negative hoo-ha attached to being in space, particularly the military / combat aspects of it.

There will now be death, fear, desperation and negative hoo-ha attached to being on the ground. I'd think that would increase the human drama significantly, not diminish it.

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The DUST 514 trooper cloning tech, as far as my awareness goes, only seems to be limited by money. Capsuleers clone through the Capsule, which is limited by a genetic affinity only an extremely small fraction have. Soft-cloning and back ups are available to anyone with the money, but they're expensive, time consuming, and do not update the clone with the last memories before death. The Sansha's method of cloning is not elaborated on, but in function appears to be similar to Capsule cloning.

My guess is Nation's cloning is very similar to Sleeper cloning. Build the body, input the mind. Not really necessary to have a predisposition to pod piloting, except in that rare percentage that does indeed have the ability to interact with the Pod; then, you get a Citizen Aster or Heavenbound.

Did you know that Jove are born fully mature? Blink

The DUST chronicles on the DUST 514 site are very awesome, and have shades of that whole Sleeper tech idea (as well as a possible hint of some PVE opponents). I don't know... I don't think they're just shooting darts blindly at a "big ideas board" to make up their backstory.

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My driving fear is that DUST 514 will devalue the ongoing human drama about spaceship crews, cloning, and death by giving people an easy cop out. In the Incursion expansion and precursor storyline, the Nation's full scale cloning capability was/is an extremely Big Deal. Its possible that they got that ability from the same source as the DUST troopers (Sleepers), but it is not elaborated on and one of the mysteries in the storyline currently.

Think of it like this; given Nation's cloning technology, and the source of said technology (Sleepers), is it not easy to infer exactly why he's upset with Capsuleers? Couldn't it be that very point you started with?

"Humans playing with technology and powers they don't understand, with consequences they can't possibly fully comprehend? Capsuleers using DUST soldiers as pawns in a galactic chess game? I for one think that is atrocious, and should be stopped before it can start!"
/Kuvakei

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I do not know your intentions for those plot aspects, and what little I know is not very comforting. Perhaps this will be answered when DUST is released, but as far as I can tell nothing of that nature seems to be hinted at yet.

I'd say voice concern now, hope that it is heard and is either appreciated (because they're already taking care to watch for exactly what you are discussing) or taken into consideration into the grand scheme of Dust 514 development. Everything I've seen points to these concerns being addressed, and if they weren't before, I'd imagine that it really SHOULD be now.
Roga Dracor
Gladiators of Rage
Fraternity.
#4 - 2012-03-29 11:40:42 UTC  |  Edited by: Roga Dracor
Thank you for tying many of the pieces into place for me.. I am eternally indebted to you both.. Blink

All without ever buying a novel, though I admit, reading them all is on my list of "to do's"..

I, personally, think it is brilliant stategy, well implemented by CCP, if it pans out the way you two envision it.. it really provides no more than a brief overview of a vast stretch of time and provides more questions than answers, remember, we live in a cyclical Universe..

Sansha as the Enlightened Despot.. ::chuckles::

Oh, and the thought I might end up "Jovian" after all.. Twisted

See ya in space, and on the Dust battlefields...

It's no use going back to yesterday, because I was a different person then, and it's a poor sort of memory that only works backward.

Publius Valerius
AirGuard
LowSechnaya Sholupen
#5 - 2012-04-03 03:48:24 UTC
Roga Dracor wrote:
Thank you for tying many of the pieces into place for me.. I am eternally indebted to you both.. Blink

All without ever buying a novel, though I admit, reading them all is on my list of "to do's"..

I, personally, think it is brilliant stategy, well implemented by CCP, if it pans out the way you two envision it.. it really provides no more than a brief overview of a vast stretch of time and provides more questions than answers, remember, we live in a cyclical Universe..

Sansha as the Enlightened Despot.. ::chuckles::

Oh, and the thought I might end up "Jovian" after all.. Twisted

See ya in space, and on the Dust battlefields...


There is just one Enlightened monarch and it is Khanid II (see here) P

I would love to have those classes ingame. See here:

http://www.colbertnation.com/the-colbert-report-videos/376566/march-07-2011/joshua-foer

Bluddwolf
Heimatar Military Industries
#6 - 2012-04-11 11:54:42 UTC
I believe there will be significant "human drama" between capsuleers and trooper clones.

When you have two bullies on the same bloack, its only a matter of time before they fight. I can even see a time when the capsuleers forget their empire based differeneces and the whole of EVE breaks down into civil war.... Space vs. Ground. This is all conjecture though.

It is also important to note that both types of clones have a built in weakness. Capsuleers can only clone when they are in their pod (not including jump cloning, which is not instant on death). Templars (Amarr Ground Clones) need to be in close proximity of mobile cloning facilities, on the perimeter of the battlefield.

Kill us on stations, and we stay dead. Take out their cloing vehicles first (orbotal strike), and they stay dead.

EVE Online Fan ... Looking for "End Game" since 2006 ... Happily, I still havn't found it