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Devoter can easily go above 200k ehp
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Saladinae
State War Academy
Caldari State
#1 - 2012-04-11 06:01:47 UTC
With Level 4 skills

Is there any other reason to choose another HIC for supercap tackle?

Winmatar > Everything else
Lunkwill Khashour
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#2 - 2012-04-11 06:48:11 UTC
If you can't fly the devoter, the others are excellent aswell.
Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#3 - 2012-04-11 08:48:06 UTC
That's pretty much the Devoter's niche, but I guess if you're bringing a shield fleet (with shield gang bonuses), you'll want a shield HIC anyway, probably the Onyx.

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Mfume Apocal
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#4 - 2012-04-11 09:57:10 UTC
Malcanis wrote:
That's pretty much the Devoter's niche, but I guess if you're bringing a shield fleet (with shield gang bonuses), you'll want a shield HIC anyway, probably the Onyx.


Broadsword is better as a shield HIC because it's T2 resists coincide completely with the two most common titans out there and both their sig radius' are large enough for tracking titans to be a concern.
Mfume Apocal
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#5 - 2012-04-11 10:03:00 UTC
Saladinae wrote:
Is there any other reason to choose another HIC for supercap tackle?


Phobos if you're rolling armor and think that it's going to be a support fleet consisting of Drakes/Tengus or Rokhs shooting you.
Grimpak
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#6 - 2012-04-11 10:41:22 UTC
Mfume Apocal wrote:
Saladinae wrote:
Is there any other reason to choose another HIC for supercap tackle?


Phobos if you're rolling armor and think that it's going to be a support fleet consisting of Drakes/Tengus or Rokhs shooting you.

phobos has enough medslots for actually fitting sensor boosters if you don't like relying on RSB's.

but that's the only good point vs devoter actually.

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captain skinback
Dark Venture Corporation
Kitchen Sinkhole
#7 - 2012-04-11 13:30:24 UTC
locking speed is very important if your using the script. i dont remember what HIC has the fastest lock time though.
Astroniomix
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#8 - 2012-04-11 15:07:13 UTC
captain skinback wrote:
locking speed is very important if your using the script. i dont remember what HIC has the fastest lock time though.

Phobos can be setup to instalock stuff fairly easily
Lady Ayeipsia
BlueWaffe
#9 - 2012-04-11 15:29:33 UTC
I believe the onyx can double bubble and fit a cyno, while still leaving room to tank and add a little missile dps. I forget if the devoter can match. I know the broadsword has a little trouble with such a fit.
Astroniomix
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#10 - 2012-04-11 15:35:06 UTC
Lady Ayeipsia wrote:
I believe the onyx can double bubble and fit a cyno, while still leaving room to tank and add a little missile dps. I forget if the devoter can match. I know the broadsword has a little trouble with such a fit.

The broadsword has powergrid issues so at best you might be able to get a pair of t1 bubbles on it.
Saladinae
State War Academy
Caldari State
#11 - 2012-04-11 15:38:49 UTC  |  Edited by: Saladinae
Astroniomix wrote:
captain skinback wrote:
locking speed is very important if your using the script. i dont remember what HIC has the fastest lock time though.

Phobos can be setup to instalock stuff fairly easily


We're talking about supercap tackle only, I don't think your lock speed is of great importance.

Also all Devoter resists can be brought to 90% with active hardeners and one eanm, overheat if you sense the titan is going to shoot you.

Winmatar > Everything else
Drew Solaert
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#12 - 2012-04-11 16:23:49 UTC
Lady Ayeipsia wrote:
I believe the onyx can double bubble and fit a cyno, while still leaving room to tank and add a little missile dps. I forget if the devoter can match. I know the broadsword has a little trouble with such a fit.


Phobos can do the double bubble cyno nicely with some ac's thrown on for km whoring/anti drone

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Liang Nuren
No Salvation
Divine Damnation
#13 - 2012-04-11 17:02:59 UTC
Mfume Apocal wrote:
Malcanis wrote:
That's pretty much the Devoter's niche, but I guess if you're bringing a shield fleet (with shield gang bonuses), you'll want a shield HIC anyway, probably the Onyx.


Broadsword is better as a shield HIC because it's T2 resists coincide completely with the two most common titans out there and both their sig radius' are large enough for tracking titans to be a concern.


Wait what? I was under the impression that the Avatar and Erebus were the most common Titans? The Erebus should be hitting the Broadsword's resist hole(s) with both guns and DD... what gives?

-Liang

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mxzf
Shovel Bros
#14 - 2012-04-11 17:06:31 UTC
Thread summary: All HICs can be useful, depending on what you're trying to do with them.
Adacia Calla
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#15 - 2012-04-11 18:14:03 UTC
Liang Nuren wrote:
Mfume Apocal wrote:
Malcanis wrote:
That's pretty much the Devoter's niche, but I guess if you're bringing a shield fleet (with shield gang bonuses), you'll want a shield HIC anyway, probably the Onyx.


Broadsword is better as a shield HIC because it's T2 resists coincide completely with the two most common titans out there and both their sig radius' are large enough for tracking titans to be a concern.


Wait what? I was under the impression that the Avatar and Erebus were the most common Titans? The Erebus should be hitting the Broadsword's resist hole(s) with both guns and DD... what gives?

-Liang

....Broadsword has a base resist of 81% EM, 70% Therm.....

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Liang Nuren
No Salvation
Divine Damnation
#16 - 2012-04-11 18:17:33 UTC
Adacia Calla wrote:
Liang Nuren wrote:
Mfume Apocal wrote:
Malcanis wrote:
That's pretty much the Devoter's niche, but I guess if you're bringing a shield fleet (with shield gang bonuses), you'll want a shield HIC anyway, probably the Onyx.


Broadsword is better as a shield HIC because it's T2 resists coincide completely with the two most common titans out there and both their sig radius' are large enough for tracking titans to be a concern.


Wait what? I was under the impression that the Avatar and Erebus were the most common Titans? The Erebus should be hitting the Broadsword's resist hole(s) with both guns and DD... what gives?

-Liang

....Broadsword has a base resist of 81% EM, 70% Therm.....


Huh, the Broadsword has a different resist profile than the typical T2 Minnie profile. I hadn't noticed that.

-Liang

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Mfume Apocal
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#17 - 2012-04-11 18:44:25 UTC
Liang Nuren wrote:
Wait what? I was under the impression that the Avatar and Erebus were the most common Titans? The Erebus should be hitting the Broadsword's resist hole(s) with both guns and DD... what gives?


Kinetic is naturally strong on shields. Thermal is boosted on a Broadsword. I've never had a probably with shrugging off the occassional Erebus shot in my broadsword

And DDs haven't been a tanking concern for two years. You died no matter what before the change and now you can't be hit by a DD regardless.
Liang Nuren
No Salvation
Divine Damnation
#18 - 2012-04-11 18:47:58 UTC
Mfume Apocal wrote:
Liang Nuren wrote:
Wait what? I was under the impression that the Avatar and Erebus were the most common Titans? The Erebus should be hitting the Broadsword's resist hole(s) with both guns and DD... what gives?


Kinetic is naturally strong on shields. Thermal is boosted on a Broadsword. I've never had a probably with shrugging off the occassional Erebus shot in my broadsword

And DDs haven't been a tanking concern for two years. You died no matter what before the change and now you can't be hit by a DD regardless.


Yeah I noticed the thermal boost on the Broadsword. Seems weird, but whatever. Learn something new every day - thanks. :)

-Liang

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Mfume Apocal
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#19 - 2012-04-11 18:58:10 UTC
Liang Nuren wrote:
Yeah I noticed the thermal boost on the Broadsword. Seems weird, but whatever. Learn something new every day - thanks. :)

-Liang


HACs, recons and AFs to my knowledge as well.
Liang Nuren
No Salvation
Divine Damnation
#20 - 2012-04-11 19:15:29 UTC  |  Edited by: Liang Nuren
Mfume Apocal wrote:
Liang Nuren wrote:
Yeah I noticed the thermal boost on the Broadsword. Seems weird, but whatever. Learn something new every day - thanks. :)

-Liang


HACs, recons and AFs to my knowledge as well.


Looks like *MOST OF THE TIME*, it goes EM > Explosive >= Thermal > Kinetic. The Broadsword is different:
Wolf, Jaguar, Broadsword:
EM 75 %
Explosive 50 %
Kinetic 40 %
Thermal 60 %

Muninn, Vagabond, Scimitar, Claymore
EM Resist 75 %
Explosive Resist 60 %
Kinetic Resist 40 %
Thermal Resist 60 %

Sleipnir:
EM Resist 62.5 %
Explosive Resist 60 %
Kinetic Resist 40 %
Thermal Resist 50 %

Rapier:
EM Resist 50 %
Explosive Resist 50 %
Kinetic Resist 40 %
Thermal Resist 40 %

Huginn:
EM Resist 62.5 %
Explosive Resist 50 %
Kinetic Resist 40 %
Thermal Resist 50 %

Anyway, I'd always looked at the Scim/Vaga/Sleip/etc as the base Minnie T2 resist pattern.

-Liang

Ed: I am at work. Pulled resists from eve.wikia.

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