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Racial BC in April or May?

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DarthNefarius
Minmatar Heavy Industries
#61 - 2012-04-10 22:12:31 UTC
CCP Ytterbium wrote:
There are two conditions needed before we split the Destroyers and Battlecruisers skill in four:


  • We need to overhaul destroyer and battlecruiser ships themselves. Cutting your ability to fly those ships by four without taking care of the underpowered hulls is a no go, because that would mean new players going for one racial line would have a hard time having valid options in these two classes.

  • We need to have a very solid skill reimbursement plan set in stone. Most likely, we would take care of the Destroyer and Battlecruiser skill refund in one move to be done with it and avoid the same inconvenience twice for our playerbase.


So no, to my knowledge skill changes are not coming in April; what we are most likely going to start with is to have a look at the tech 1 frigates and cruisers, then move up as time passes, but nothing is fixed yet.

We will do our best to let you know in advance if the skill changes are due for a specific release.


In that case I won't be trainning for command ships unil after the change :( 6 motnhs to a year + from now ): All peeps would be smart not to either. The T3 is a better OGB command ship until something is changed anyways.
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Large Collidable Object
morons.
#62 - 2012-04-10 22:41:08 UTC  |  Edited by: Large Collidable Object
Aren Dar wrote:
Sol Tertia wrote:
There appears to be an unspoken assumption that the new racial battlecruisers skills will still be x6 learning time multiplier, if that's not the case the SP inflation may in fact be substantially lower than people are speculating.


Yes, they will be:

"New destroyer and battlecruiser skills would be same rank than existing ones"



Actually halfing their ranks and reimbursing the current SP was what I suggested a while back.


It would allow people like me to spec according to my needs whilst not completely screwing over people starting after a date where they can't spec all cruisers to III and BC Vin case they want max SP.

Yes - destroyers and BCs would be quick to train, but so what? Canes and Drakes are the new rifters anyway - I don't mind some people with poor support skills being able to fly them at V within a few days.
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Justice Comes
Doomheim
#63 - 2012-04-11 00:22:38 UTC
Gogela wrote:
LOL @ this thread! Nobody is reading the answers the dev linked! Lol


Yeah, how come everyone didn't read page 73 of that thread?!

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Skarned
Inroads
#64 - 2012-04-11 03:22:55 UTC
No matter what reimbursment path is chosen, someone is going to get screwed. And that is fine. It'll probably be new players that will be screwed most by missing out on the free SP, since they don't complain very loud.
Tyberius Franklin
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#65 - 2012-04-11 03:26:18 UTC
DarthNefarius wrote:
CCP Ytterbium wrote:
There are two conditions needed before we split the Destroyers and Battlecruisers skill in four:


  • We need to overhaul destroyer and battlecruiser ships themselves. Cutting your ability to fly those ships by four without taking care of the underpowered hulls is a no go, because that would mean new players going for one racial line would have a hard time having valid options in these two classes.

  • We need to have a very solid skill reimbursement plan set in stone. Most likely, we would take care of the Destroyer and Battlecruiser skill refund in one move to be done with it and avoid the same inconvenience twice for our playerbase.


So no, to my knowledge skill changes are not coming in April; what we are most likely going to start with is to have a look at the tech 1 frigates and cruisers, then move up as time passes, but nothing is fixed yet.

We will do our best to let you know in advance if the skill changes are due for a specific release.


In that case I won't be trainning for command ships unil after the change :( 6 motnhs to a year + from now ): All peeps would be smart not to either. The T3 is a better OGB command ship until something is changed anyways.

Considering you will want BC V before the change and also will be training cruiser V for the T3 the rest isn't that far away.
Tyberius Franklin
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#66 - 2012-04-11 03:27:20 UTC
Justice Comes wrote:
Gogela wrote:
LOL @ this thread! Nobody is reading the answers the dev linked! Lol


Yeah, how come everyone didn't read page 73 of that thread?!

Or just click the link in the first post?
Sokniw
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#67 - 2012-04-11 03:41:25 UTC
i dunno if somone said it not going to run through all the pages ... but in the release notes it says whats coming in april, and its not the new ship layouts
Chokichi Ozuwara
Perkone
Caldari State
#68 - 2012-04-11 03:52:46 UTC
New ships BEST SHIPS!

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Sunviking
Doomheim
#69 - 2012-04-11 09:33:27 UTC
I've just finished BC 5 this morning and am now proceeding to Gallente Cruiser 3 and Amarr Cruiser 3 - will only take me a few days.

But then BC 5 was already in my training plan...

Will be good to have an update to teh devblog on this topic.
Ellendras Silver
CrashCat Corporation
#70 - 2012-04-17 12:03:58 UTC
CCP Ytterbium wrote:
There are two conditions needed before we split the Destroyers and Battlecruisers skill in four:


  • We need to overhaul destroyer and battlecruiser ships themselves. Cutting your ability to fly those ships by four without taking care of the underpowered hulls is a no go, because that would mean new players going for one racial line would have a hard time having valid options in these two classes.

  • We need to have a very solid skill reimbursement plan set in stone. Most likely, we would take care of the Destroyer and Battlecruiser skill refund in one move to be done with it and avoid the same inconvenience twice for our playerbase.


So no, to my knowledge skill changes are not coming in April; what we are most likely going to start with is to have a look at the tech 1 frigates and cruisers, then move up as time passes, but nothing is fixed yet.

We will do our best to let you know in advance if the skill changes are due for a specific release.


can you say anything on when this will happen?

i realy think CCP should refund the BC and destroyer SPs full. i realy like to know if this will happen or we get all destroyers/BCs at lvl we could fly it for all the races we could fly. and a timeframe for the changes will help also

[u]Carpe noctem[/u]
JC Anderson
RED ROSE THORN
#71 - 2012-04-17 13:07:20 UTC  |  Edited by: JC Anderson
Actually, there really isn't a reason to wait until after the patch as opposed to training those skills now.

If you look at the different options they have listed, it should ease any concerns over if you will lose the ability to fly certain ships after the patch. Especially people that might be worried about their command ship selections before and after the changes go into effect.

Using myself as an example.

I have all four races cruiser skills currently at 5 in addition to BC5 already trained.

Under plan 1:
My BC Is 5, and when the patch hits I will instantly get all four races BC skills at 5.

Under plan 2:
You will get matching racial variant BC to your current generic BC as long as you also have the new pre reqs. In the post, the example lists that BC 5 + (race) cruiser 3 grants you the (race) BC skill matching your generic BC skill. If you do not have the pre req of racial cruiser 3, then you will not be granted that races BC skill automatically at the current level of your generic BC skill.

IE: With my cruiser 5 for each race, and bc 5, the result is the same with plan 2 as it is with plan 1 for me. Racial BC skills all at 5 off the bat.

Due to my 5's in every races frigate skill, and having destroyers 5 as well, the end result would be the same as the above examples in regard to the racial destroyer skills.

The "If you can fly it today, you can fly it tomorrow" answers being given are especially important when it comes to the tech 2 destroyer and BC hulls, which each require 5 in their respective generic hull skill.

CCP Ytterbium wrote:

Destroyer and Battlecruiser reimbursement: it has been said before, but allow us to repeat again, that we do not want to cut ships you can already fly. Thus, having BC skill at 5 would mean you get all four variations at 5.


CCP Ytterbium wrote:

Q: can we opt out for skills we don't want during the reimbursement process?

A: well, again, it depends on how it is done. We may just bluntly give all four variants at V if you had battlecruiser V for example, or maybe require that you also add the relevant Cruiser skill trained at level 3 to be eligible. On the latter case, just don't train the cruiser 3 skill, and you should not receive the new racial battlecruiser at 5. Not sure why one would do that however, it's like skipping free candy or cake while visiting your grandma.

Example:
If we go for option 1: you will get Amarr, Caldari, Gallente and Minmatar Battlecruiser skills at 5 if you previously had the generic Battlecruiser skill at 5.
If we go for option 2: you will get Amarr Battlecruiser skill at 5 only if you previously fulfilled all conditions to fly Amarr Battlecruisers, which means having the generic Battlecruiser skill at 5, PLUS the Amarr Cruiser at 3.


CCP Soundwave wrote:

No one is saying you have to retrain them. Our principle for the reimbursement here will be "if you could fly it yesterday, you can still fly it today". Ytterbium will post the further details of this once it's written up.
Cearain
Plus 10 NV
#72 - 2012-04-18 14:47:32 UTC
Any news on when this will happen?

If I have BC 5 trained but not the other required skills to fly a bc - racial frigate 4 and racial cruiser 3 what happens?

What happens if I only have one the frigate and cruiser skills to fly one races bc?

What happens if I am half way to bc5 when the patch hits?

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Markus Reese
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#73 - 2012-04-18 15:56:01 UTC
I had bc and dessie 5 trained before it was cool, no worries.

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Perkone
Caldari State
#74 - 2012-04-18 16:55:39 UTC
Cearain wrote:
Any news on when this will happen?

If I have BC 5 trained but not the other required skills to fly a bc - racial frigate 4 and racial cruiser 3 what happens?

What happens if I only have one the frigate and cruiser skills to fly one races bc?

What happens if I am half way to bc5 when the patch hits?

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