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Vexor vs Thorax getting my first cruiser

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Nate Nichols
GWA Corp
#1 - 2012-04-10 19:13:27 UTC  |  Edited by: Nate Nichols
Hello,

I am thinking about getting my first cruiser and I'd like opinions on the merits and drawbacks of both ships.

I know the vex can hold more drones and the thorax is more of a gunship.

I'm not a huge fan of drones, and I'm not particularly interested in micromanaging a swarm of them.

In your opinion, which ship would you chose between those two?

Also, what is the best way to fit either ship?
Kahega Amielden
Rifterlings
#2 - 2012-04-10 19:16:37 UTC
Nate Nichols wrote:
Hello,

I am thinking about getting my first cruiser and I'd like opinions on the merits and drawbacks of both ships.

I know the vex can hold more drones and the thorax is more of a gunship.

I'm not a huge fan of drones, and I'm not particularly interested in micromanaging a swarm of them.

In your opinion, which ship would you chose between those two?


Flying cruiser+ class ships, especially Gallente ones, will necessitate drone use regardless. Gallente droneboats will have you managing large numbers of them; which drones you put in your bay will be a major fitting decision.

If you don't like drone management and want to just release drones and enjoy the additional damage then it sounds like you want a blasterboat.


The primary difference between the two ships -is- the weapon system.
Nate Nichols
GWA Corp
#3 - 2012-04-10 19:22:44 UTC
Blasterboat....for my current destroyer and hopefully my future cruiser do I want to use short ranged blasters?

Currently, on my destroyer, I'm using 125mm rails with about a 17km range. I thought I would do the same on the cruiser. Is that a bad decision with Gallante ships?
mxzf
Shovel Bros
#4 - 2012-04-10 19:24:07 UTC
Vexor. In my experience it's much more forgiving of a ship to fit and fly and is very effective.
Petrus Blackshell
Rifterlings
#5 - 2012-04-10 20:15:45 UTC
Nate Nichols wrote:
I'm not a huge fan of drones, and I'm not particularly interested in micromanaging a swarm of them.


It's hardly a swarm. All sub-capital ships can only use 5 drones at once maximum. You push F to have them attack the current target and Shift-R to have them return to your drone bay. Make sure to use drone groups in the drone bay, and everything becomes much easier.

That said, if a flight of drones (5) is too many for you, you're a bit SOL with bigger Gallente ships. All Gallente ships larger than a destroyer have the drone bay and bandwidth to field 5 drones, and usually depend on those drones to pack the most punch possible. While the Thorax is indeed more of a gunboat than the Vexor, it also has a 50m3 drone bay with 50 bandwidth, which means it is able to field a full flight of medium drones.

So far as blasters vs rails... they are both hybrid weapon systems. That means that whenever you look at a ship's description and you see something like "Gallente Cruiser Skill Bonus: 5% bonus to Medium Hybrid Turret damage per level", that means that both blasters and railguns get bonused.

However, Gallente ships tend to work best with blasters. This is because they receive damage, tracking, and falloff bonuses. Damage is useful to supplement the already high damage of blasters, tracking is useful for blasters to be effective at very short ranges, and falloff gives them much-needed range flexibility. In the meantime, the Caldari are better with railguns, as a lot of their ships get optimal range bonuses, and bonusing a 20 km railgun optimal range by 50% is much more useful than bonusing a 1 km blaster optimal range by 50%.

I can't really advise you to fly a Thorax over a Vexor or vice versa, as I don't have enough experience with both of them, but I can tell you that it is really fun to melt people's faces off in PvP with a Thorax.

It is also phallic, for what that counts.

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Kahega Amielden
Rifterlings
#6 - 2012-04-10 20:18:33 UTC
Nate Nichols wrote:
Blasterboat....for my current destroyer and hopefully my future cruiser do I want to use short ranged blasters?

Currently, on my destroyer, I'm using 125mm rails with about a 17km range. I thought I would do the same on the cruiser. Is that a bad decision with Gallante ships?


depends on what you are doing with it. There are applications for railguns on a thorax (on a level 2 mission thorax I'd probably use rails, for example), but in general Gallente hybridboats gain the most benefit from blasters. They tend to get healthy drone bays, damage/tracking bonuses, or in the case of the Thorax, a MWD bonus...All of which lend themselves to a "burn in range and melt face off" style of combat.

Nura Taron
Doomheim
#7 - 2012-04-10 20:36:36 UTC
Nate Nichols wrote:
Hello,

I am thinking about getting my first cruiser and I'd like opinions on the merits and drawbacks of both ships.

I know the vex can hold more drones and the thorax is more of a gunship.

I'm not a huge fan of drones, and I'm not particularly interested in micromanaging a swarm of them.

In your opinion, which ship would you chose between those two?

Also, what is the best way to fit either ship?

If you're going to do level 2 missions the vexor is better. Lv2 has lots of frigates and not many cruisers so drones are going to work better than medium guns. For PvP I'd go with the thorax.
Nate Nichols
GWA Corp
#8 - 2012-04-10 20:57:53 UTC
Okay I think I'll go with the vexor and blasters. Which brings a few more questions to my mind:

What sort of drones should I load into the vexor? Preferably ones that are somewhat cheap and not skill intensive (I'm new).


Also, since blasters have such short range, is it best to use them as my ranged DPS? Like send the drones out and then close to blaster range?

Thanks
Xuixien
Solar Winds Security Solutions
#9 - 2012-04-10 21:08:25 UTC
Nate Nichols wrote:
Okay I think I'll go with the vexor and blasters. Which brings a few more questions to my mind:

What sort of drones should I load into the vexor? Preferably ones that are somewhat cheap and not skill intensive (I'm new).


Also, since blasters have such short range, is it best to use them as my ranged DPS? Like send the drones out and then close to blaster range?

Thanks


I used a Vexor on another character and found it a bit tedious.

You should be fine with Hobgoblins. They're small and agile and will eat through the frigates. You'll want to get T2 drones as soon as possible (it only takes about 10 days from scratch).

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Lost Greybeard
Drunken Yordles
#10 - 2012-04-10 21:13:35 UTC
Nate Nichols wrote:
Okay I think I'll go with the vexor and blasters. Which brings a few more questions to my mind:

What sort of drones should I load into the vexor? Preferably ones that are somewhat cheap and not skill intensive (I'm new).


Also, since blasters have such short range, is it best to use them as my ranged DPS? Like send the drones out and then close to blaster range?

Thanks


I would advise against the vexor with blasters. If you want to use blasters and thus engage at close range, use the Thorax, the bonus to microwarpdrive consumption will make a lot of difference in getting close enough to your targets to fire, especially at lower skill levels.

If you're going to use the Vexor, equip it to engage at medium or long range, meaning use railguns.


The main reason for saying this is that, if you don't like drones much and don't skill them or burn module slots on enhancing them they're not going to have very good range, and will only be able to fly out to 25km or so. This means that they will not be able to cover you if you're in a blaster vexor and something faster than you is kiting beyond control range. But if you're running rails, you can zap things that are far out and the drones can still fill the hole in your defenses for things that get under your guns.

Also, regarding your "which drones" questions: Hobgoblins(small) and Hammerheads(med) on a Vexor, probably just Hobs on a Thorax.
Vimsy Vortis
Shoulda Checked Local
Break-A-Wish Foundation
#11 - 2012-04-10 21:39:07 UTC
A vexor with small guns and a 1600mm rolled tungsten plate is a pretty serious business spaceship. Thoraxes are okay but they are kind of squishy.
Louis deGuerre
The Dark Tribe
#12 - 2012-04-10 22:34:48 UTC
For PVP, Blaster Thorax is king, but Vexor is pretty good and cheaper.
For PVE, you can't really beat Vexor as rails are soso for PVE so you want to have a medium+light flight of drones, which Thorax can't.
Orlacc
#13 - 2012-04-11 00:31:11 UTC
As you can see, in EVE opinions are like spaceships. Everybody has one...

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Toshiro GreyHawk
#14 - 2012-04-11 02:55:08 UTC


If you're going to stay with Gallente ships ... which you don't have to do ... get your drone skills up and accept the fact that you'll be using them - otherwise - use someone elses ships.



If you are running missions - you can control the engagement and not have to warp out - by using your afterburner to keep your distance from the rats you can use your rails and drones to kill them with relative impunity.


As to which drones to use - each mission has a briefing on what your enemy will be. If it is just one type of enemy, then there are weapons that are more effective against them than others. Each type of drone does a different type of damage - like missiles:

Gallente - Thermal
Caldari - Kinetic
Minmatar - Explosive
Amarr - Em

Each is tuned to fight the rats in their space - so if you are doing missions in Gallente Space - use the Gallente Drones.

Read the EVE Missions Guide for more information.

Also take a look at the Guide on Drones.


.
Disastro
Wrecking Shots
#15 - 2012-04-12 02:01:59 UTC
Nate Nichols wrote:
Hello,

I am thinking about getting my first cruiser and I'd like opinions on the merits and drawbacks of both ships.

I know the vex can hold more drones and the thorax is more of a gunship.

I'm not a huge fan of drones, and I'm not particularly interested in micromanaging a swarm of them.

In your opinion, which ship would you chose between those two?

Also, what is the best way to fit either ship?


It depends, of course, on what you intend to do with it. But i always found a vexor to be a nice unexpectedly strong ship for pvp. Folks tend to understimate it and you can tank it quite well and do a fair bit of damage. One of the major strengths of Gallente is their drone usage so drone skills should be high on your list if you are flying gallente.

I have soloed poorly fit battleships and battle cruisers rather easily with a vexor. Realistically if you intend to do low sec or high sec pvp gallente ships in general are fine. If you intend to go to nullsec stop training gallente altogether and go minmatar or amarr depending upon who you choose to fly with and what they are calling for in defense fleets.
Abbadon21
Ignotis Imperium
Usurper.
#16 - 2012-04-12 02:54:36 UTC
Depends on what you are doing with them...

I think I would learn toward Vexor for PVE, even though managing damaged drones can be annoying.

The vexor is also a great stepping stone to the Myrmidon. While the Thorax is more of a step toward the Brutix.

Vexor will have you skilling Drones alot. Thorax will be Rails and Blaster skills.

Eventually you will do both, so don't worry too much, pick one and then learn to make the most of it.

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Cannibal Kane
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#17 - 2012-04-12 12:37:35 UTC
For PVP

Thorax....

That is all.

"Kane is the End Boss of Highsec." -Psychotic Monk

Jouron
Hadon Shipping
#18 - 2012-04-12 13:54:08 UTC
Vexor can out dps a shield gank thorax easy.

Thorax only wins a little bit on the over all tank front an a little bit on range dictation.

Nate Drones are easy to use and are by far one of the most adaptable weapon platforms in the game. and ewar essentially doesnt work on them. If you want to get drones off the field you have to chew threw them till there dead its ineffective to jam individual drones, and in missions you grab agro so you get jammed your drones dont.

Assign your drones to groups for easy management arrange them by damage type if your running missions I name my groups based off there damage types for instance:

Group name: Drone Type(Used to kill)

Small therm: 5 x Hobgoblin II's (Frigates)
Med therm: 5 x Hammerhead II's (Frigates/ cruisers orbiting inside 10km)
Therm Long: 5 x Garde II's( cruisers 15 km and up)
Kin Long: 5 x Warden II's(Anything further then 55km)

Oh ****!: 5 x Vespa ECM

This allows you to know what damage your dealing to what.

The Dominix(Battleship drone boat) has a secret. It can be fitted to be the highest DPS tech I non faction battleship in the game. Mine does 757 DPS. When I fight guristas I yawn as I get jammed and my drones continue to destroy there target.
Blasters for show. Drones for Pro. I never bitched about blasters before they got buffed because they were always secondary to my drones.
Cannibal Kane
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#19 - 2012-04-12 13:59:45 UTC  |  Edited by: Cannibal Kane
Jouron wrote:
Vexor can out dps a shield gank thorax easy.

Thorax only wins a little bit on the over all tank front an a little bit on range dictation.

Nate Drones are easy to use and are by far one of the most adaptable weapon platforms in the game. and ewar essentially doesnt work on them. If you want to get drones off the field you have to chew threw them till there dead its ineffective to jam individual drones, and in missions you grab agro so you get jammed your drones dont.

Assign your drones to groups for easy management arrange them by damage type if your running missions I name my groups based off there damage types for instance:

Group name: Drone Type(Used to kill)

Small therm: 5 x Hobgoblin II's (Frigates)
Med therm: 5 x Hammerhead II's (Frigates/ cruisers orbiting inside 10km)
Therm Long: 5 x Garde II's( cruisers 15 km and up)
Kin Long: 5 x Warden II's(Anything further then 55km)

Oh ****!: 5 x Vespa ECM

This allows you to know what damage your dealing to what.

The Dominix(Battleship drone boat) has a secret. It can be fitted to be the highest DPS tech I non faction battleship in the game. Mine does 757 DPS. When I fight guristas I yawn as I get jammed and my drones continue to destroy there target.
Blasters for show. Drones for Pro. I never bitched about blasters before they got buffed because they were always secondary to my drones.


My mega calls your 757DPS and raises it to 1433 DPS.

And no... the Thorax is known as DPS hog for it's size. Even with a big tank I pop out 550dps with it. 200 less than what you call the highest DPS. And then it is not fitted for Gank, I could pop that up to 700 dps is not more.

"Kane is the End Boss of Highsec." -Psychotic Monk

Louis deGuerre
The Dark Tribe
#20 - 2012-04-12 14:14:48 UTC
Jouron wrote:
Therm Long: 5 x Garde II's( cruisers 15 km and up)
Kin Long: 5 x Warden II's(Anything further then 55km)


A Vexor has only 75 Mbit/sec bandwidth and 100 m3 drone bay and can carry 4 (25 m3/drone) and only use 3 sentry drones at once (25/drone). A Thorax has only 50 Mbit/sec and 50m3 drone bay so can only carry and use 2 at once.

But yes, Dominix is a great ship, and one of the most versatile ships in the game with its humongous drone bay. One of those rare boats that can challenge ten other ships and win the day.