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The EVE Economy - S*** never stank as much.

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Dantes Wolf
Interstellar Corporation of Universal Management
#1 - 2012-04-10 12:15:52 UTC  |  Edited by: Dantes Wolf
I'd like to report the following for being Shizzle: The economy on a full scale.

I spend.. 18 hours a day here, is pushing 3 years, have maxed skills on so and so many fronts, and I'm still reduced to buying plexes to make my EVE-life function?

That. is. ( in lack of a better word. ) sh!t. ( pardon my french. )

Yes, i reside in highsec for the moment, yes i know that 0.0 pays better, but lets look at this for a spell.

Mining cycles for a T1 standard strip miner @ 3 minutes? - effective? That little factor provided an effective ISK yeild, with 4 toons mining over six hours @.. roughly 50.000.000 ISK @ refinery 100%.

AM I THE ONLY ONE HAVING A F***ING PROBLEM WITH THAT??????

sorry.

But i'm f***ing serious, what the f*** are you people F***ing thinking???????

Seriously, on top of that - We got a market totally and completely fecked on account of lost bots ( appearently, im not the only one fecked to death bored by sitting 3 min. a cycle ) but the result is, i'd need to mine for 24 hours, or MORE in highsec to wield enough cash for a standard BC and fit, at current rates..

Am I the only one who is puzzled about this?

Further - a Standard BS @ a lvl 4 mission yields 500.000 ISK, and thats the best paied job, beyond incursions, IN ALL OF HIGH??? are you fecking maddd???


Plz, for crying out loud, make mining both interesting and profitable: reduce cycles by 90%, get people to actually do it, get the markets filled up with ships, and give us an incetement to play that DOESNT INVOLVE YOU DEMANDING EVERY FECKING SPARE SECOND WE HAVE FOR BALANCING THIS 2'ND JOB!!

Thank. You.

Dantes.

PS. Why are you so afraid of making people actually feeling like millionaires in this game? I mean yearh, I know most of you guys at CCP are, ive payed half your salary over the last 3 years, but.. Why not make us indulge in greed and feel like only the few of the world can? the potential is right there - give us enough money to buy what we want, and let us fecking have some FUN, instead of this tyranny of wage your currently putting us through?

Seriously

A side note here, everything in the game'd change with it - an imidiate consequence would be that people actually would DARE to set foot in low, even Without being 40 man high, and would have a laugh instead of grudges lasting months, over lost ships - make us ******* happy instead of over the top miserable?

Thanks

D.

"Before you diagnose yourself with low selfesteem and depression, you should first make sure, that you are not just, in fact, surrounded by assholes".

Danika Princip
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#2 - 2012-04-10 12:40:03 UTC
Highsec should be worth LESS, not more.

If mining cycles are buffed the way you want, the price will plummet accordingly. 5 isk trit will be more like 1 isk trit. You'll be mining for pretty well the same length of time to make the same money.

What missions only pay out 500k isk? Couriers?

FYI, the highest paid job in highsec is market wizardry.

Try:

Exploration
Incursions
Lowsec missions/exploration etc
Nullsec missions, exploration etc
Wormholes
Not Mining

These should all give you more money. If you don't want to lose anything expensive, just take a battlecruiser or something. If not, you could always try PVP.
Verity Sovereign
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#3 - 2012-04-10 13:27:20 UTC
4 toons, 6 hours, 50 mill total? thats 24 toon-hours of mining, that should be 240 million.... You should be making nearly 10 million per hour mining.
What are you mining? with waht are you mining.
I semi-AFK mine Pxroxeres in a quiet system when I'm doing other things and can't commit attention to the game.
I like the long cycles, that way I only have to do a few clicks every 6 minutes or so, while I do other stuff (reading and writing, mostly, sometimes excercise).

Long cycles are fine as they come with big mining amounts.
Increasing mining rate 10x would crash the minerals market, and now the liiting factor would be BPCs and manufacturing.
I don't know if youve noticed, but *all* the BPO research slots in high sec are taken - you'd soon find the same for manufacturing, and now to make any isk because of the crashed mineral market, you'd have to get a POS and get into research and production because minerals would be so damn cheap - it would be the capacity to turn them into ships and modules, and to do it quickly, that would be where the ISK making was


And half-mill bounties on pirate BS's in lvl 4 missions is fine, because there are often many of them.
Go count how many lvl 4 missions net over 20 mill in bounties... you can finish all of them in under an hour.
1 hour of gameplay per day = at least 600 mill a month, = a plex and then some.
Then you've got gone berserk- 10.5 mill and it shouldn't take you more than 15 min if you have a good ship and good skills

What are you bitching about?
Zarere
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#4 - 2012-04-10 13:32:34 UTC
You're doing something wrong, the covetor fit i thought up yesterday mines 1600m3 a minute.

with a trit price of 5 p/u thats 14.4m/hour per character.

You are seriously doing something wrong, harden up and learn how to play the game.
mxzf
Shovel Bros
#5 - 2012-04-10 13:42:56 UTC
Dantes Wolf wrote:
I spend.. 18 hours a day here, is pushing 3 years, have maxed skills on so and so many fronts, and I'm still reduced to buying plexes to make my EVE-life function?


I spend probably 18 hours a week playing and don't have maxed skills and I still pay for my account with PLEX and have billions to spare for whatever I feel like buying. You're doing it wrong.

Also, 500k BSes in missions are the smallest ones, most of them are worth more.

And, as other people have said, if you're making that little mining you're doing something seriously wrong; it's a miner's market right now and miners are starting to make more than they have in years.

So, I'm pretty sure this is a poorly disguised rage-troll. Either that or you're an idiot who doesn't know how to mine.
Astroniomix
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#6 - 2012-04-10 13:59:45 UTC
Do PI. I buy t2 products in jita, then haul them over to my colonies and turn them into t3-4 stuffs. Easy money.
Asuka Solo
I N E X T R E M I S
Tactical Narcotics Team
#7 - 2012-04-10 18:51:06 UTC
Danika Princip wrote:
Highsec should be worth LESS, not more.

If mining cycles are buffed the way you want, the price will plummet accordingly. 5 isk trit will be more like 1 isk trit. You'll be mining for pretty well the same length of time to make the same money.

What missions only pay out 500k isk? Couriers?

FYI, the highest paid job in highsec is market wizardry.

Try:

Exploration
Incursions
Lowsec missions/exploration etc
Nullsec missions, exploration etc
Wormholes
Not Mining

These should all give you more money. If you don't want to lose anything expensive, just take a battlecruiser or something. If not, you could always try PVP.


Do you also want to make hi-sec more dangerous in terms of jihadding?

Tougher wardecs to get of you say?

If so, apply risk vs reward.

Boost empire jewing!

Eve is about Capital ships, WiS, Boobs, PI and Isk!

Ganthrithor
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#8 - 2012-04-10 19:09:43 UTC
~*Deliberately undertakes an unprofitable enterprise, whines about it being unprofitable, yells at CCP for banning his bots*~
Danika Princip
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#9 - 2012-04-10 19:26:01 UTC
Asuka Solo wrote:
Danika Princip wrote:
Highsec should be worth LESS, not more.

If mining cycles are buffed the way you want, the price will plummet accordingly. 5 isk trit will be more like 1 isk trit. You'll be mining for pretty well the same length of time to make the same money.

What missions only pay out 500k isk? Couriers?

FYI, the highest paid job in highsec is market wizardry.

Try:

Exploration
Incursions
Lowsec missions/exploration etc
Nullsec missions, exploration etc
Wormholes
Not Mining

These should all give you more money. If you don't want to lose anything expensive, just take a battlecruiser or something. If not, you could always try PVP.


Do you also want to make hi-sec more dangerous in terms of jihadding?

Tougher wardecs to get of you say?

If so, apply risk vs reward.

Boost empire jewing!



Jihadding is fine, and wardecs are being changed in a couple of weeks anyway.

Empire will always be safer than null/low/WH, and thus should have lower rewards.
Herold Oldtimer
State War Academy
Caldari State
#10 - 2012-04-10 20:37:58 UTC
EVE is not all about how can I make the most amount of isk. You should instead consider what can I do to have the most fun while playing, and damn the cost
Nub Sauce
State War Academy
Caldari State
#11 - 2012-04-10 23:34:46 UTC
Ganthrithor wrote:
~*Deliberately undertakes an unprofitable enterprise, whines about it being unprofitable, yells at CCP for banning his bots*~


This is pretty much the problem right here.

Adunh Slavy
#12 - 2012-04-10 23:49:26 UTC
Try one account and a yearly subscription. The whole "job" aspect goes away very quickly.

Necessity is the plea for every infringement of human freedom. It is the argument of tyrants; it is the creed of slaves.  - William Pitt

Nick Bison
Bison Industrial Inc
Cat Scratch Fevers
#13 - 2012-04-11 01:07:56 UTC
Question for the OP.
Was there a Feature or Idea anywhere in that whiny rant?

Please post your whines in GD --> that-a-way

Nothing clever at this time.

Ganthrithor
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#14 - 2012-04-11 02:06:19 UTC
Damned Illegals! They took ere jabs!
Tarn Kugisa
Kugisa Dynamics
#15 - 2012-04-11 04:39:57 UTC
T** M*ny As*t*r*s*s

Be polite. Be efficient. Have a plan to troll everyone you meet - KuroVolt