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NEX Store Items now Destructable

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Rifter Enthusiast
KarmaFleet
Goonswarm Federation
#21 - 2011-09-27 19:05:32 UTC
http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1532513&page=1#29

CCP Zinfandel:
Quote:
Thanks for bringing this up. And I did chuckle at the great "killmail" above.

We finalized on the following characteristics:
-clothing are destructible while in your cargo (like anything else)
-clothing are not destroyed if podded while worn - you will wake up in your new clone wearing the same outfit
-clothing does not travel with you if you take advantage of a jump clone - it remains in the previous station
-items such as the eye implants or Amarr monocles which are installed in the body do NOT behave like implants but can be removed and put on again at will (or even resold.)

We believe these settings best serve both our current population as well as those players who come later and learn to play EVE Online without the benefit of a specific briefing on the new functionality.


I agree it sounded like a bug, which is why i petitioned. However CCP is telling me its a Game Mechanic and its intended for NeX clothing to be destroyed when podded.
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#22 - 2011-09-27 19:05:42 UTC
Rifter Enthusiast wrote:
I just paid for these under the impression they wouldnt blow up - and now they do. So i should be given a special pair that never die - like the ones i PAID FOR - or you give me back my money.
EULA

10 E. New Releases of the Software
You are not entitled to receive any new releases of the Software, or any expansion packs, updates, upgrades or similar products under the EULA, but CCP may, in its sole discretion, offer any or all of the foregoing to you. CCP may update, upgrade or otherwise enhance the Software at any time, in its sole discretion, without obligation to you.

11. A. Ownership of Software, System and Game
As between you and CCP, CCP is the sole and exclusive owner of the Software, System, Game and Game Content (as defined below).

11. B. Rights to Certain Content
You have no interest in the value of your time spent playing the Game, for example, by the building up of the experience level of your character and the items your character accumulates during your time playing the Game

12. NO WARRANTIES
The Software, System, Game and all Game Content, and all other services and material provided in connection therewith, are provided "AS IS," with all faults, and without warranty of any kind. You assume all risk of use and all risk associated with accessing the System and playing the Game.


…so, no, you should not.
Rifter Enthusiast
KarmaFleet
Goonswarm Federation
#23 - 2011-09-27 19:08:14 UTC
CCP Zymurgist wrote:
If the NEX item is in your cargo hold it can very well go *POP* and make an interesting line on a killmail Twisted. On the other hand if you are wearing the item it should reappear on your character when your medical clone is activated.

Have you tried playing with the recustomization feature (The mirror in the CQ or the button on the station panel) and see if you can "remove" the goggles and have them show up in your inventory? I would do this and update your petition with any information you find to help sort out the problem.

I still see them on your avatar's portrait so it appears that you are still wearing them even after the pod loss. Although I haven't looked into your account so I can't tell you if that is an old image, new one, or a glitch. The GMs will be able to do that for you.


I've searched for them in there. When i enter re-customization the goggles are not on my character's face, and i've went through each section and found no goggles anywhere. Assets search turns up nothing (with several tries to ensure no misspellings)
GM Karidor
Game Masters
C C P Alliance
#24 - 2011-09-27 19:09:16 UTC
Clothes should be destructible only when you carry them around in your cargo hold (and that's been that way since they were introduced), in which case they will be handled like any other item in your cargo when the ship is blown to bits. However, as long as you are wearing them, they shouldn't be lost even if you are podded. As you say they still are on you in the captains quarters, that seems to be the case for you, Rifter Enthusiast. Them not showing up when you use the mirror would be a bug, as Vincent Athena already hinted upon.

Also, as long as you are wearing them, they won't show up in an asset search, so I'm not quite surprised about that bit, really.

However, have you tried jumpcloning ever since? That should force the NEX-clothes to drop into your hangar on the station you jumped away from and just may fix this for you.

GM Karidor | Senior Game Master
Yasumoto
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#25 - 2011-09-27 19:11:14 UTC
100% behind the OP regarding CCP and communication regarding game mechanic changes. Uncommunicated changes pertaining to CCP's most recent cash-grab venture are inexcusable when it comes to managing user expectations.

But also: death to the mono-goggle wearers!

Furthermore: I wonder if CCP Zulu would buy a 2nd pair of $1000 Japanese boutique jeans if his first pair of jeans unfortunately burned up in a fire? Serious questions for serious times.
Rifter Enthusiast
KarmaFleet
Goonswarm Federation
#26 - 2011-09-27 19:26:27 UTC  |  Edited by: Rifter Enthusiast
Working my way back to a station so i can jumpclone and try... if this is a bug im truly sorry for ever doubting you ccp! lol I'll post in a few minutes when i can

The wiki needs more/better articles about NeX stuff because thats the first thing i checked, and could find nothing... except this petition telling me terrible terrible things!
Bumblefck
Kerensky Initiatives
#27 - 2011-09-27 19:27:11 UTC
Tippia wrote:
Rifter Enthusiast wrote:
I just paid for these under the impression they wouldnt blow up - and now they do. So i should be given a special pair that never die - like the ones i PAID FOR - or you give me back my money.
EULA

10 E. New Releases of the Software
You are not entitled to receive any new releases of the Software, or any expansion packs, updates, upgrades or similar products under the EULA, but CCP may, in its sole discretion, offer any or all of the foregoing to you. CCP may update, upgrade or otherwise enhance the Software at any time, in its sole discretion, without obligation to you.

11. A. Ownership of Software, System and Game
As between you and CCP, CCP is the sole and exclusive owner of the Software, System, Game and Game Content (as defined below).

11. B. Rights to Certain Content
You have no interest in the value of your time spent playing the Game, for example, by the building up of the experience level of your character and the items your character accumulates during your time playing the Game

12. NO WARRANTIES
The Software, System, Game and all Game Content, and all other services and material provided in connection therewith, are provided "AS IS," with all faults, and without warranty of any kind. You assume all risk of use and all risk associated with accessing the System and playing the Game.


…so, no, you should not.



People who throw around the EULA like it means anything should be multiply podded, with every single NEX item in their cargo hold

Perfection is a dish best served like wasabi .

Bumble's Space Log
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#28 - 2011-09-27 19:36:53 UTC
Bumblefck wrote:
People who throw around the EULA like it means anything should be multiply podded, with every single NEX item in their cargo hold
People who think they are owed anything in an MMO where they don't own anything would be a better target — then they'd maybe finally get the point…
Jita Alt666
#29 - 2011-09-27 19:38:58 UTC
Bumblefck wrote:
Tippia wrote:
Rifter Enthusiast wrote:
I just paid for these under the impression they wouldnt blow up - and now they do. So i should be given a special pair that never die - like the ones i PAID FOR - or you give me back my money.
EULA

10 E. New Releases of the Software
You are not entitled to receive any new releases of the Software, or any expansion packs, updates, upgrades or similar products under the EULA, but CCP may, in its sole discretion, offer any or all of the foregoing to you. CCP may update, upgrade or otherwise enhance the Software at any time, in its sole discretion, without obligation to you.

11. A. Ownership of Software, System and Game
As between you and CCP, CCP is the sole and exclusive owner of the Software, System, Game and Game Content (as defined below).

11. B. Rights to Certain Content
You have no interest in the value of your time spent playing the Game, for example, by the building up of the experience level of your character and the items your character accumulates during your time playing the Game

12. NO WARRANTIES
The Software, System, Game and all Game Content, and all other services and material provided in connection therewith, are provided "AS IS," with all faults, and without warranty of any kind. You assume all risk of use and all risk associated with accessing the System and playing the Game.


…so, no, you should not.



People who throw around the EULA like it means anything should be multiply podded, with every single NEX item in their cargo hold


People who know the rules of the game they play tend to do better than those who don't.
Martyr Theos
The NecroMonger Faith
#30 - 2011-09-27 19:42:07 UTC
Now if CCP will just give us NOVA BOMBS,

we can use them to make the rest of the RMT/BOTTING/MOON ADVANTAGED crap go away as well and bring this game back into balance for everyone.
Rifter Enthusiast
KarmaFleet
Goonswarm Federation
#31 - 2011-09-27 19:50:49 UTC
OMG. There they are lol

The petition saying Intended Game Mechanic really scared me, but thanks... perhaps i need to upgrade to a monocle for superior visual acuity
Alaekessa
Matari Combat Research and Manufacture Inc.
#32 - 2011-09-27 19:53:36 UTC
I honestly don't understand why people would think that the lore would support us losing them if we got podded....

I mean, AFAIK, when I get in my pod, I'm nude save for all the tubing running into my body that lets me actually pilot the ship while suspended in pod goo

Why should I lose items that I would imagine I left behind in the pod chamber?
Aethlyn
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#33 - 2011-09-27 20:05:37 UTC
Alaekessa wrote:
I honestly don't understand why people would think that the lore would support us losing them if we got podded....
Cause avatar images don't change while in space to some nude model with goo all over the place. I could imagine lots of people considering that "in the spirit of the lore" though.

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Prince Kobol
#34 - 2011-09-27 20:08:51 UTC
Tippia wrote:
Rifter Enthusiast wrote:
I just paid for these under the impression they wouldnt blow up - and now they do. So i should be given a special pair that never die - like the ones i PAID FOR - or you give me back my money.
EULA

10 E. New Releases of the Software
You are not entitled to receive any new releases of the Software, or any expansion packs, updates, upgrades or similar products under the EULA, but CCP may, in its sole discretion, offer any or all of the foregoing to you. CCP may update, upgrade or otherwise enhance the Software at any time, in its sole discretion, without obligation to you.

11. A. Ownership of Software, System and Game
As between you and CCP, CCP is the sole and exclusive owner of the Software, System, Game and Game Content (as defined below).

11. B. Rights to Certain Content
You have no interest in the value of your time spent playing the Game, for example, by the building up of the experience level of your character and the items your character accumulates during your time playing the Game

12. NO WARRANTIES
The Software, System, Game and all Game Content, and all other services and material provided in connection therewith, are provided "AS IS," with all faults, and without warranty of any kind. You assume all risk of use and all risk associated with accessing the System and playing the Game.


…so, no, you should not.


Sorry to **** on your chips here but the EULA is be all and end all as Turbine have recently found out to their cos during the ROI Expansion.

Many features which were advertised as part of the expansion did not make it into the final release which of course angered many players who had pre-ordered it.

One brave soul refused to take the EULA crap from Turbine and sought legal advice.

As it happens under UK law the company dealing with sales for ROI for UK and EU customers by law has to offer a full refund as the product is not how it was advertised.

Now many UK and EU based players have are in the process of reciving full refunds and many players in US are also seeking full refunds as well.

So this goes to prove that the EULA is not as judge dredd would say "The LAW"
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#35 - 2011-09-27 20:17:47 UTC  |  Edited by: Tippia
Prince Kobol wrote:
Sorry to **** on your chips here but the EULA is be all and end all as Turbine have recently found out to their cos during the ROI Expansion.

Many features which were advertised as part of the expansion did not make it into the final release which of course angered many players who had pre-ordered it.
One difference: they paid for a product they didn't get; neither is true for the OP.
Alaekessa wrote:
I honestly don't understand why people would think that the lore would support us losing them if we got podded....

I mean, AFAIK, when I get in my pod, I'm nude save for all the tubing running into my body that lets me actually pilot the ship while suspended in pod goo

Why should I lose items that I would imagine I left behind in the pod chamber?
Because you have it when you appear in the next station you dock at. And no, you're very obviously not paying for a “suit in every station”, because they only appear if you actually travel to that station, not if you go there through a clone jump…

…so quite clearly, they're being ferried along in your ship-board closet. And that's just the clothes — let's not even get into the stuff that is implanted into your body and does not disappear when said body becomes a meatsicle.

Of course, pretty much nothing released in Incarna so far has been remotely consistent with the established lore (or even with itself)… so it's consistent in that way at least.
Maxpie
MUSE LLP
#36 - 2011-09-27 20:23:29 UTC
CCP Zymurgist wrote:
On the other hand if you are wearing the item it should reappear on your character when your medical clone is activated.


How un-Eve-like Sad

No good deed goes unpunished
Lester Knight Chaykin
Doomheim
#37 - 2011-09-27 20:24:21 UTC
Rifter Enthusiast wrote:
http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1532513&page=1#29

CCP Zinfandel:
Quote:
Thanks for bringing this up. And I did chuckle at the great "killmail" above.

We finalized on the following characteristics:
-clothing are destructible while in your cargo (like anything else)
-clothing are not destroyed if podded while worn - you will wake up in your new clone wearing the same outfit
-clothing does not travel with you if you take advantage of a jump clone - it remains in the previous station
-items such as the eye implants or Amarr monocles which are installed in the body do NOT behave like implants but can be removed and put on again at will (or even resold.)

We believe these settings best serve both our current population as well as those players who come later and learn to play EVE Online without the benefit of a specific briefing on the new functionality.


I agree it sounded like a bug, which is why i petitioned. However CCP is telling me its a Game Mechanic and its intended for NeX clothing to be destroyed when podded.


Man... are you drunk?! where the freak did you read that in that post?!
Learn to read!
De'Veldrin
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#38 - 2011-09-27 20:24:59 UTC
Tippia wrote:


…so quite clearly, they're being ferried along in your ship-board closet. And that's just the clothes — let's not even get into the stuff that is implanted into your body and does not disappear when said body becomes a meatsicle.


Wouldn't applying the term -sicle imply the presence of a stick? (e.g. popsicle)

De'Veldrin's Corollary (to Malcanis' Law): Any idea that seeks to limit the ability of a large nullsec bloc to do something in the name of allowing more small groups into sov null will inevitably make it that much harder for small groups to enter sov null.
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#39 - 2011-09-27 20:27:49 UTC
De'Veldrin wrote:
Wouldn't applying the term -sicle imply the presence of a stick? (e.g. popsicle)
Weeell… all that ordnance has to be shoved somewhere, doesn't it? P
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
Vae. Victis.
#40 - 2011-09-27 20:40:44 UTC
On a related note, I too would be far more comfortable with NeX clothing items if...

!: They were destroyed when your pod is destroyed (along with your body, implants, etc.)
2: They were 1/10th their current price.

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