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T2BPO why they should be removed and how.

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Brewlar Kuvakei
Adeptio Gloriae
#61 - 2012-04-10 18:31:45 UTC
Nydia Carver wrote:
Well they fixed drone regions, next it´s T2 BPO´s. Cool



Hopefully, CCP have been talking about t2npo lately so maybe something is on the cards.
lol fourm troll
Doomheim
#62 - 2012-04-10 18:35:35 UTC
Brewlar Kuvakei wrote:
Nydia Carver wrote:
Well they fixed drone regions, next it´s T2 BPO´s. Cool



Hopefully, CCP have been talking about t2npo lately so maybe something is on the cards.

Rogue drones were actually a problem T2BPOs are not.
Haulie Berry
#63 - 2012-04-10 18:39:53 UTC  |  Edited by: Haulie Berry
There's a tiny part of me that would thoroughly enjoy seeing players like the OP who, absent their favorite scapegoat, would finally be forced to accept that they simply aren't smart enough to thrive in industry.
Brewlar Kuvakei
Adeptio Gloriae
#64 - 2012-04-10 19:00:20 UTC
Haulie Berry wrote:
There's a tiny part of me that would thoroughly enjoy seeing players like the OP who, absent their favorite scapegoat, would finally be forced to accept that they simply aren't smart enough to thrive in industry.


Meh I play the game the way I want I plex two accounts from afk trading and have isk to do what I want to do in EVE. I wanted to compete in invention but refuse to do so against T2BPO an item that was gifted by ccp to a pet player.
Salo Aldeland
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#65 - 2012-04-10 19:00:25 UTC
Haulie Berry wrote:
There's a tiny part of me that would thoroughly enjoy seeing players like the OP who, absent their favorite scapegoat, would finally be forced to accept that they simply aren't smart enough to thrive in industry.


If only.
Brewlar Kuvakei
Adeptio Gloriae
#66 - 2012-04-10 19:09:08 UTC
Salo Aldeland wrote:
Haulie Berry wrote:
There's a tiny part of me that would thoroughly enjoy seeing players like the OP who, absent their favorite scapegoat, would finally be forced to accept that they simply aren't smart enough to thrive in industry.


If only.


blah blah blah, psychology... I'm off to work to do some hard science and then enjoy my spaceship shooty game.
lol fourm troll
Doomheim
#67 - 2012-04-10 19:14:23 UTC
Brewlar Kuvakei wrote:
Haulie Berry wrote:
There's a tiny part of me that would thoroughly enjoy seeing players like the OP who, absent their favorite scapegoat, would finally be forced to accept that they simply aren't smart enough to thrive in industry.


Meh I play the game the way I want I plex two accounts from afk trading and have isk to do what I want to do in EVE. I wanted to compete in invention but refuse to do so against T2BPO an item that was gifted by ccp to a pet player.

The easiest way to not compete against T2BPOs is dont invent, if you are that well off give up this crusade, you are fighting an up hill battle alone, you will lose.
Brewlar Kuvakei
Adeptio Gloriae
#68 - 2012-04-10 19:25:25 UTC  |  Edited by: Brewlar Kuvakei
lol fourm troll wrote:
Brewlar Kuvakei wrote:
Haulie Berry wrote:
There's a tiny part of me that would thoroughly enjoy seeing players like the OP who, absent their favorite scapegoat, would finally be forced to accept that they simply aren't smart enough to thrive in industry.


Meh I play the game the way I want I plex two accounts from afk trading and have isk to do what I want to do in EVE. I wanted to compete in invention but refuse to do so against T2BPO an item that was gifted by ccp to a pet player.

The easiest way to not compete against T2BPOs is dont invent, if you are that well off give up this crusade, you are fighting an up hill battle alone, you will lose.



Exactly and that is the point and you hit the nail on the head. A single inventor can not compete in a single item against a T2BPO owner and that is why T2BPO need removed. People come out with the same rubbish excuse ''well invent something else''. Why should I? Why should I not invent this item just because CCP have gifted another player the ability to create the item with out invention, zero effort and the ability to undercut every single BPC?
Haulie Berry
#69 - 2012-04-10 19:30:30 UTC
Brewlar Kuvakei wrote:

Exactly and that is the point and you hit the nail on the head. A single inventor can not compete in a single item against a T2BPO owner and that is why T2BPO need removed. People come out with the same rubbish excuse ''well invent something else''. Why should I? Why should I not invent this item just because CCP have gifted another player the ability to create the item with out invention, zero effort and the ability to undercut every single BPC?


Hey guys, look who still doesn't understand basic economics.
Zifrian
FAYN Industries
Dark Side of the Eclipse
#70 - 2012-04-10 19:35:53 UTC  |  Edited by: Zifrian
Brewlar Kuvakei wrote:
lol fourm troll wrote:
Brewlar Kuvakei wrote:
Haulie Berry wrote:
There's a tiny part of me that would thoroughly enjoy seeing players like the OP who, absent their favorite scapegoat, would finally be forced to accept that they simply aren't smart enough to thrive in industry.


Meh I play the game the way I want I plex two accounts from afk trading and have isk to do what I want to do in EVE. I wanted to compete in invention but refuse to do so against T2BPO an item that was gifted by ccp to a pet player.

The easiest way to not compete against T2BPOs is dont invent, if you are that well off give up this crusade, you are fighting an up hill battle alone, you will lose.



Exactly and that is the point and you hit the nail on the head. A single inventor can not compete in a single item against a T2BPO owner and that is why T2BPO need removed. People come out with the same rubbish excuse ''well invent something else''. Why should I? Why should I not invent this item just because CCP have gifted another player the ability to create the item with out invention, zero effort and the ability to undercut every single BPC?

If this were true, then i wouldnt make any isk from T2 ammo production, but I make loads. I'm sure there are T2 bpo owners for these items. So, you really don't understand industry at all then. Well actually you don't seem to understand the market nor the concept of supply and demand. What will you do if you choose to make mauraders and find out its not profitable? Blame T2 bpo owners and refuse to make something else? Or diversify and adjust to the market?

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lol fourm troll
Doomheim
#71 - 2012-04-10 19:42:39 UTC
Haulie Berry wrote:
Brewlar Kuvakei wrote:

Exactly and that is the point and you hit the nail on the head. A single inventor can not compete in a single item against a T2BPO owner and that is why T2BPO need removed. People come out with the same rubbish excuse ''well invent something else''. Why should I? Why should I not invent this item just because CCP have gifted another player the ability to create the item with out invention, zero effort and the ability to undercut every single BPC?


Hey guys, look who still doesn't understand basic economics.

Poor guy he will never learn, there is a list of what t2 has bpos make something off of the list, or something that is expendable.
Duvida
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#72 - 2012-04-10 20:10:21 UTC
Quote:
If this were true, then i wouldnt make any isk from T2 ammo production, but I make loads. I'm sure there are T2 bpo owners for these items.


Now don't you be clouding the issue with facts. Ok, it'd be a stronger case if you can cite a BPO owner for these, but it's still a thing to consider, that it's probably true.

How about this? Keep the T2 BPOs, and let T2 BPC invention give a chance for, in addition to regular T2 BPCs, a T2 BPC for a named item of meta 6 to 9?

Shadowsword
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#73 - 2012-04-10 20:31:37 UTC
Brewlar Kuvakei wrote:

Exactly and that is the point and you hit the nail on the head. A single inventor can not compete in a single item against a T2BPO owner and that is why T2BPO need removed.



Horsecrap.

You can easily compete with any T2 bpo holder simply by masively outproducing him. A T2 BPO is limited to 1 factory slot. You aren't.
Stella SGP
#74 - 2012-04-10 21:03:20 UTC
Brewlar Kuvakei wrote:
Exactly and that is the point and you hit the nail on the head. A single inventor can not compete in a single item against a T2BPO owner and that is why T2BPO need removed. People come out with the same rubbish excuse ''well invent something else''. Why should I? Why should I not invent this item just because CCP have gifted another player the ability to create the item with out invention, zero effort and the ability to undercut every single BPC?

You can't be that stupid...
Stella SGP
#75 - 2012-04-10 21:06:44 UTC
Brewlar Kuvakei wrote:
Nydia Carver wrote:
Well they fixed drone regions, next it´s T2 BPO´s. Cool



Hopefully, CCP have been talking about t2npo lately so maybe something is on the cards.

Citation needed, I hate it when people put words in CCP's mouth.
lol fourm troll
Doomheim
#76 - 2012-04-10 21:30:00 UTC
Stella SGP wrote:
Brewlar Kuvakei wrote:
Exactly and that is the point and you hit the nail on the head. A single inventor can not compete in a single item against a T2BPO owner and that is why T2BPO need removed. People come out with the same rubbish excuse ''well invent something else''. Why should I? Why should I not invent this item just because CCP have gifted another player the ability to create the item with out invention, zero effort and the ability to undercut every single BPC?

You can't be that stupid...

I know, you know, that I know, that you know, he can be.
Maximum Panic
Hedion University
Amarr Empire
#77 - 2012-04-10 21:31:44 UTC
Needed to chime in at the continuous lol fail of the anti-T2BPO thread you are making....the game was different back then and is way different today. I think you are focusing on such a small aspect of the isk making in this game that it is laughable. Do you ever undock?

I had 3 accounts with 9 toons all trained up to Research Management 5 for the lottery. To make use of them I had to grind faction/corp standings wtih each toon. I then spent every day running the one per day research mission to get 2x research points across all these accounts (I am sure many others did that as well). I only hope I never ever have to run another research delivery boy mission as long as I live.



So I played the game as intended and I got dropped 4 BPOs in the lottery accross all my accounts. So you are saying it wasn't fair that I played the game the way it was set up at the time and now 7 years later I need to be punished and just given back some RP so I can get datacores???? While we are at it you can reimburse the players that all played "wrong" at that time and pay them back their account subs. Hell why stop there and in game.....take your activisim to real life and give out reparations for slavery, etc



Well, that was just crazy talk at the end of the last PP -sorry for that, but you need to look at reality. I still have all of my original BPOs . The best one only makes me a cool 100M isk per month in profits on a desireable item that is swamped by invention jobs. Still, it basically pisses off my corp mates when I am in high sec "builidng crap" instead of out defending null or doing cool ratting plexes or major corp operations because it is such low income generating activity.

I would much rather be scanning down and running 10/10 plexs and making 1B isk per night off loot profits - which absolutely dwarfs any isk made vs. time spent on the T2BPOs. Hell on a crappy night with no loot drops I make 20M isk per tick ratting.....so in 5 hours of play I just equalled the best T2BPO that I own that takes 3 hours to set up goods and run and get the stuff to market- net gain for equal activity is then 40M isk per month if I run them instead of ratting. You should just be glad that I still make the low selling rate items for my other 3 BPOs and stock them at market at a fair rate. More often than not some speculator comes along and buys the entire lot out and then places it back on the market at 20% more price - maybe it is you just trying to make sure the inventors get fair prices.

It is time to Panic.
lol fourm troll
Doomheim
#78 - 2012-04-10 21:38:07 UTC
Maximum Panic wrote:
Needed to chime in at the continuous lol fail of the anti-T2BPO thread you are making....the game was different back then and is way different today. I think you are focusing on such a small aspect of the isk making in this game that it is laughable. Do you ever undock?

I had 3 accounts with 9 toons all trained up to Research Management 5 for the lottery. To make use of them I had to grind faction/corp standings wtih each toon. I then spent every day running the one per day research mission to get 2x research points across all these accounts (I am sure many others did that as well). I only hope I never ever have to run another research delivery boy mission as long as I live.



So I played the game as intended and I got dropped 4 BPOs in the lottery accross all my accounts. So you are saying it wasn't fair that I played the game the way it was set up at the time and now 7 years later I need to be punished and just given back some RP so I can get datacores???? While we are at it you can reimburse the players that all played "wrong" at that time and pay them back their account subs. Hell why stop there and in game.....take your activisim to real life and give out reparations for slavery, etc



Well, that was just crazy talk at the end of the last PP -sorry for that, but you need to look at reality. I still have all of my original BPOs . The best one only makes me a cool 100M isk per month in profits on a desireable item that is swamped by invention jobs. Still, it basically pisses off my corp mates when I am in high sec "builidng crap" instead of out defending null or doing cool ratting plexes or major corp operations because it is such low income generating activity.

I would much rather be scanning down and running 10/10 plexs and making 1B isk per night off loot profits - which absolutely dwarfs any isk made vs. time spent on the T2BPOs. Hell on a crappy night with no loot drops I make 20M isk per tick ratting.....so in 5 hours of play I just equalled the best T2BPO that I own that takes 3 hours to set up goods and run and get the stuff to market- net gain for equal activity is then 40M isk per month if I run them instead of ratting. You should just be glad that I still make the low selling rate items for my other 3 BPOs and stock them at market at a fair rate. More often than not some speculator comes along and buys the entire lot out and then places it back on the market at 20% more price - maybe it is you just trying to make sure the inventors get fair prices.

It is time to Panic.

Well that is the long, but it seems necessary, explanation that will probally end this thread once and for all. Lets hope.
Shadowsword
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#79 - 2012-04-10 21:49:20 UTC
A long post full of inconvenient facts? He will ignore it. :/
Boomhaur
#80 - 2012-04-10 22:13:18 UTC
Personally I think the OP is just bad at the industrial side at Eve and wants an easier game that he can play. Heck I started playing again about a week ago with 150mil in my wallet and right now I have closer to 10x that amount with what I do for isk (I do a bit of everything, industrial/trading/ratting/etc)

So let me give you a bit of advice Invention is profitable, very profitable. If you don't know how to make a profit doing it, I suggest you learn or give up now as the T2 bpo people don't control the market, we do.

Welcome to Eve. Everyone here is an Evil Sick Sadistic Bastard who is out to get you. Anyone who tells you otherwise is either trying to scam you or use you.