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New Dev Blog: Carebearing 2.0

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Zifrian
The Frog Pond
Ribbit.
#241 - 2012-04-10 19:24:18 UTC
Alice Katsuko wrote:
So, just to make sure:

(1) Rogue drones are getting bounties, but will not be dropping any modules aside from scrap metal.

(2) Rogue drone salvage will still be craptastic.

(3) Rogue drone "officer" spawns are still going to be worthless.

(4) Rogue drone DED complexes will still be completely useless, and no new ones are in the pipe, nor is anyone going to look at them in the near future.

(5) Nothing is being done to make mining more interesting, or to increase the local supply of low-end minerals in null.

Reposting because these seem to be the common issues all of us in drone regions have with this change. I didn't move to 0.0 to shoot rats for bounties, no items, no unique rewards and then buy crap in jita to get jumped out. I can make craptons of isk in empire and not have to deal with the risk of being in 0.0. In short, increased risk should create increased rewards. You are walking this back without addressing the above.

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Elijah Craig
Trask Industries
#242 - 2012-04-10 19:28:53 UTC
nestafarios wrote:
... how will this help the new player entering eve for the first time...


It means the newbie who jumps into a Bantam in their first week and straps on a pair of Miner I's can actually make some decent ISK from mining to get started. Cool
Venix
An Eye For An Eye
Phoebe Freeport Republic
#243 - 2012-04-10 19:28:59 UTC
Ceaser Diez wrote:
Venix wrote:
nestafarios wrote:




I live in null sec and I am not part of a big ally. Just saying...


Where do you hold SOV? Whose your member on the CSM? What pull and sway do you have in the game?


None, No one, and none again.

You just have to be ballsy to live in 0.0. It is not for the casual player who doesnt pvp often.
EvilweaselFinance
GoonCorp
Goonswarm Federation
#244 - 2012-04-10 19:29:15 UTC
intrepid crossing (back into empire because they're tired of being farmed by real alliances)
Ceaser Diez
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#245 - 2012-04-10 19:30:40 UTC
Venix wrote:
Ceaser Diez wrote:
Venix wrote:
nestafarios wrote:




I live in null sec and I am not part of a big ally. Just saying...


Where do you hold SOV? Whose your member on the CSM? What pull and sway do you have in the game?


None, No one, and none again.

You just have to be ballsy to live in 0.0. It is not for the casual player who doesnt pvp often.


You missed the point of the post. You need no balls to live in 0.0. You can nullbear just as easily as carebear. The little guy can make it in NPC 0.0 but thats about it. You want to hold SOV you're paying out the ass.
Ceaser Diez
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#246 - 2012-04-10 19:31:24 UTC
Elijah Craig wrote:
nestafarios wrote:
... how will this help the new player entering eve for the first time...


It means the newbie who jumps into a Bantam in their first week and straps on a pair of Miner I's can actually make some decent ISK from mining to get started. Cool


Everyone who plays eve should be a miner! #1 profession for one and all!
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
Vae. Victis.
#247 - 2012-04-10 19:34:12 UTC
Zifrian wrote:
Alice Katsuko wrote:
So, just to make sure:

(1) Rogue drones are getting bounties, but will not be dropping any modules aside from scrap metal.

(2) Rogue drone salvage will still be craptastic.

(3) Rogue drone "officer" spawns are still going to be worthless.

(4) Rogue drone DED complexes will still be completely useless, and no new ones are in the pipe, nor is anyone going to look at them in the near future.

(5) Nothing is being done to make mining more interesting, or to increase the local supply of low-end minerals in null.

Reposting because these seem to be the common issues all of us in drone regions have with this change. I didn't move to 0.0 to shoot rats for bounties, no items, no unique rewards and then buy crap in jita to get jumped out. I can make craptons of isk in empire and not have to deal with the risk of being in 0.0. In short, increased risk should create increased rewards. You are walking this back without addressing the above.


The interesting thing is that with the belts not being adjusted the drone regions will become the best place in the game to mine high ends.

People that are ratting oriented will likely start moving out (possibly by alliance, wishing to take over someone elses space) while industrialists that have a strong focus on mining will be drawn to the area in droves.

Territories will change hands, bigger fish may try to invade other area's, smaller fish will attempt to move in, roaming gang will be drawn to the area to harvest the larger mining fleets likely to assemble there, teamwork to protect those fleets will become more important that solitary ratting.

All in all, very interesing changes.

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Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
Vae. Victis.
#248 - 2012-04-10 19:42:48 UTC
Ceaser Diez wrote:
Elijah Craig wrote:
nestafarios wrote:
... how will this help the new player entering eve for the first time...


It means the newbie who jumps into a Bantam in their first week and straps on a pair of Miner I's can actually make some decent ISK from mining to get started. Cool


Everyone who plays eve should be a miner! #1 profession for one and all!


Mining is likely one of the most common starter professions along with missions. Once you get the hang of the game you start making informed decisions about your career path, but you need a place to start earning an income.

That being said, lets not over look the plethora of other options new players now have at their disposal, options which didin't realistically exist in the past. PI would probalby be the most obvious of these, although basic industry will become much more viable now.

When I started out, I tried mining and the logically tried to branch out into T1 production. Obviously mining was a meager existence and the demand for meta 0 modules was non-existant.

Inferno holds the promise of being a brave new universe for the new EVE player.

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Herping yourDerp
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
#249 - 2012-04-10 19:46:05 UTC
if i have drone alloys in my hanger after the patch do the disappear? do they get changed into minerals with my refine skill? perfect refine skill?
do they stay but can't be refined? if they can be refined is it the same?

or, will they just never drop again ( which is what i would want)

also are you removing the drone alloys from the highsec missions and exploration? imo they should stay drone loots.
Strongo
#250 - 2012-04-10 19:47:12 UTC
The questions have yet been question them self's! In other words their is very important pros and cons to this chart.

1) CCP had point out in balancing our the drone regions, i see one area which went from -.60 to -.27 ?
My question is that's not a balance, that's a Nerf to the whole area. They can't change it to like a -.50 ?

2) Other very important question what will the drones drop, and what type of PVE are we looking at for PVE?
EvilweaselFinance
GoonCorp
Goonswarm Federation
#251 - 2012-04-10 19:59:02 UTC
Strongo wrote:
The questions have yet been question them self's! In other words their is very important pros and cons to this chart.

1) CCP had point out in balancing our the drone regions, i see one area which went from -.60 to -.27 ?
My question is that's not a balance, that's a Nerf to the whole area. They can't change it to like a -.50 ?

2) Other very important question what will the drones drop, and what type of PVE are we looking at for PVE?

drone region trusec was abnormally high to deal with the hassle of moving compounds, now you are getting nerfed down to normal levels

enjoy!
Kalestra Cable
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#252 - 2012-04-10 19:59:54 UTC
Strongo wrote:
The questions have yet been question them self's! In other words their is very important pros and cons to this chart.

1) CCP had point out in balancing our the drone regions, i see one area which went from -.60 to -.27 ?
My question is that's not a balance, that's a Nerf to the whole area. They can't change it to like a -.50 ?

2) Other very important question what will the drones drop, and what type of PVE are we looking at for PVE?


Answer to your question 2 given a few pages back.

CCP Affinity wrote:
DaDutchDude wrote:
Interesting changes which are already shaping EVE mineral markets today.

So a couple of questions:
1) Will Rogue Drones start dropping normal loot?
2) Will Rogue Drones salvage be increased? It seems today their salvage is quite below par.
3) Will you look into Rogue Drone exploration sites and escalations? Currently, their value is very low (who really wants 'augmented' or 'Integrated' drones?) and could use some new modules / blue prints / etc to be as interesting as the pirate faction drops.
4) How long will it take for the insurance values to adjust to the change in mineral prices? Already, the mineral prices have shot up significantly, and I assume the market will take months after this (if not longer) to adjust to the new realities. It seems a bit unfair if the insurance value for T1 ships lags so far behind players don't get compensated for these drastic changes.
5) Your blog doesn't mention this, but there's also talk about eliminating all T1 module drops from all NPCs. Can you confirm? And does that mean less loot, or will the entire loot drop table be revised to replace T1 drops with meta modules, and thereby reducing the chance for meta 4 modules?


1. No - Commander groups have loot tables, regular deadspace rogue drones don't
2. at the moment we have no plans to do this - but who knows!
3. We will definitely look into this :) not confirming we will do anything about it right away but it's definitely on our list of things to investigate
4. Pretty impossible for me to answer that and I am definitely not the person to be doing so - would need to be someone from research and statistics
5. confirmed - they will be replaced with metal scraps

De Guantanamo
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#253 - 2012-04-10 20:00:35 UTC  |  Edited by: De Guantanamo
I farm high sec Caldari space in a tengu, like many explorers.

Its stupidly easy and should not be this way. T3 cruisers should be restricted to low sec/null sec plexes.

Tech 3 cruisers should not be able to use gates to high sec complexes. One should not have to have a tengu to be competitive in high sec exploration. Simple as that.

Also, stop being lazy and add DED 9/10s. Fleet staging points do not count.
Steve Ronuken
Fuzzwork Enterprises
Vote Steve Ronuken for CSM
#254 - 2012-04-10 20:06:07 UTC
One thing about metal scraps. They're pretty much the best Trit compression you can get.

50,000 per m3.


And they'll be a /lot/ more common now.

Woo! CSM XI!

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The Gard'ner
Doomheim
#255 - 2012-04-10 20:07:09 UTC
So small time hi sec industrials who need some rare minerals from the compounds will be left hanging to dry cus the few drone missions we get are going to be gone ? How is this helping industry ? All the power will still be in big alliances'hands again. Especially with the new system of modules making. thanks alot CCP you made my game alot less fun
EvilweaselFinance
GoonCorp
Goonswarm Federation
#256 - 2012-04-10 20:09:07 UTC
The Gard'ner wrote:
So small time hi sec industrials who need some rare minerals from the compounds will be left hanging to dry cus the few drone missions we get are going to be gone ? How is this helping industry ? All the power will still be in big alliances'hands again. Especially with the new system of modules making. thanks alot CCP you made my game alot less fun


go buy them in jita you nitwit
EvilweaselFinance
GoonCorp
Goonswarm Federation
#257 - 2012-04-10 20:09:26 UTC
reminder: things you mine yourself aren't free
Tarsas Phage
Sniggerdly
#258 - 2012-04-10 20:12:17 UTC
De Guantanamo wrote:
I farm high sec Caldari space in a tengu, like many explorers.

Its stupidly easy and should not be this way. T3 cruisers should be restricted to low sec/null sec plexes.

Tech 3 cruisers should not be able to use gates to high sec complexes. One should not have to have a tengu to be competitive in high sec exploration. Simple as that.

Also, stop being lazy and add DED 9/10s. Fleet staging points do not count.


Anything can be stupidly easy once you have experience with whatever it is you're talking about.

I was in a sansha 4/10 the other day. Two rooms where the first room needs to be cleared before the gate is unlocked, and the person who got there before me was 60km off the gate kiting rats. So I sat on the locked gate in my Gila, popped out my curators and cleared the room for him, collected my drones and went into the second room and got a C-type repper before he even made it back to the gate. Not my fault the guy was stupid and as 60km off the gate when the room was cleared.
Risingson
#259 - 2012-04-10 20:14:05 UTC
CCP Greyscale wrote:
EvilweaselFinance wrote:
CCP Greyscale wrote:
Neddy Fox wrote:
Quote:

he added 3 more deadspace sites, bringing us to a point where we now have all 1/10 to 10/10 pirate deadspace sites in game


Sansha 9/10 doesn't exist..


Looking into this one as well Smile

Let me save you some time: you consider the fleet staging points the 9/10 though they're not labeled as such. There are no labeled "9/10s" but the fleet staging point is guaranteed to escalate and drops a-type loot.


Correct on all points, this is working mostly as intended, good knowledge Smile


then i would say that Angel Mineral Acquisition Outpost and Serpentis Logistical Outpost are the missing 6/10 plexes. If thats the case they should drop cruiser sized A-Type loot instead of bs sized C-Type. Plus i am not sure if both do spawn in nullsec as regular 6/10s do ??
Tarsas Phage
Sniggerdly
#260 - 2012-04-10 20:15:33 UTC
The Gard'ner wrote:
So small time hi sec industrials who need some rare minerals from the compounds will be left hanging to dry cus the few drone missions we get are going to be gone ? How is this helping industry ? All the power will still be in big alliances'hands again. Especially with the new system of modules making. thanks alot CCP you made my game alot less fun


Someone already hinted at this but I'll say it again - learn to buy order.