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Gnidex
Shadow Legion X
Seriously Suspicious
#221 - 2012-04-10 18:33:31 UTC
Promiscuous Female wrote:
Gnidex wrote:
It almost makes one want to see the drone plexes be removed alltogether.

They mostly get ignored by explorers in any case.

I would support a removal of drone complexes

They're long, have almost no reward, and the acceleration gates deny entry to industrial ships so you either have to bring an expanded combat ship in to scoop the meager rewards, or bookmark every single room in the plex (and some of them have 6+ rooms) and then visit later after it despawns.


Outgrowth Rogue Drone Hive comes to mind. The strain mother needs over 1k dps to kill and all you get is overseer's effects (at least judging from my experience after the few times i was bored enough to do it). In the exploration career drone sites are the leftovers.

A shame really since it's the most fun pve content this game has, especially since it ties in with pvp so well.
Alice Katsuko
Perkone
Caldari State
#222 - 2012-04-10 18:33:41 UTC
Promiscuous Female wrote:
Gnidex wrote:
It almost makes one want to see the drone plexes be removed alltogether.

They mostly get ignored by explorers in any case.

I would support a removal of drone complexes

They're long, have almost no reward, and the acceleration gates deny entry to industrial ships so you either have to bring an expanded combat ship in to scoop the meager rewards, or bookmark every single room in the plex (and some of them have 6+ rooms) and then visit later after it despawns.


So would I. Only the 10/10 is worth anything, and its value is several times less than that of 10/10 pirate complexes. But it has taken CCP several months just to remove drone alloys from the loot tables and add bounty payouts. Imagine now many thousands of man-hours it would take to create real loot tables. I have a feeling that this is CCP's "Excellence" at work yet again.

Then again, we all know that the drone regions are considered the ass-end of EVE space. This latest change simply removes the one reason the drone regions were a good place to live in -- they had a viable industrial sector.
Tiran'Sol
Pulling The Plug
PURPLE HELMETED WARRIORS
#223 - 2012-04-10 18:36:38 UTC  |  Edited by: Tiran'Sol
Alice Katsuko wrote:
So, just to make sure:

(1) Rogue drones are getting bounties, but will not be dropping any modules aside from scrap metal.

(2) Rogue drone salvage will still be craptastic.

(3) Rogue drone "officer" spawns are still going to be worthless.

(4) Rogue drone DED complexes will still be completely useless, and no new ones are in the pipe, nor is anyone going to look at them in the near future.

(5) Nothing is being done to make mining more interesting, or to increase the local supply of low-end minerals in null.


I think you are right. It's basically: Drone Regions are worthless now, but fixed mining. Ah and I forgot: no fun complexes at all (like the maze or so)
Taedrin
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#224 - 2012-04-10 18:39:54 UTC
Alice Katsuko wrote:
So, just to make sure:

(1) Rogue drones are getting bounties, but will not be dropping any modules aside from scrap metal.



Potentially, rogue drones may have higher bounties than normal to offset the lack of loot/terribad salvage. We'll have to see what shows up on SISI for that, though

Quote:

(5) Nothing is being done to [...] increase the local supply of low-end minerals in null.


There's plenty of low-end minerals in null. You just don't want to exploit them because low-end minerals are (surprise!) low-end and don't yield much profit. This is by design - null sec imports low ends from empire, and empire imports high ends from null-sec.
TheButcherPete
KarmaFleet
Goonswarm Federation
#225 - 2012-04-10 18:40:48 UTC
Tiran'Sol wrote:
Alice Katsuko wrote:
So, just to make sure:

(1) Rogue drones are getting bounties, but will not be dropping any modules aside from scrap metal.

(2) Rogue drone salvage will still be craptastic.

(3) Rogue drone "officer" spawns are still going to be worthless.

(4) Rogue drone DED complexes will still be completely useless, and no new ones are in the pipe, nor is anyone going to look at them in the near future.

(5) Nothing is being done to make mining more interesting, or to increase the local supply of low-end minerals in null.


I think you are right. It's basically: Drone Regions are worthless now, but fixed mining. Ah and I forgot: no fun complexes at all (like the maze or so)


Soooooo not empty quoting ;-)

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Shandir
EVE University
Ivy League
#226 - 2012-04-10 18:42:50 UTC  |  Edited by: Shandir
CCP Greyscale wrote:
Yup, any time you'd get a Meta 0 on TQ currently, you'll now get a unit of Metal Scraps instead.


Have you considered not doing this, because I don't believe anyone missioning likes metal scraps - they're useless clutter and it would be easier to loot if you simply dropped nothing.
fire elf
Carpe Noctem.
#227 - 2012-04-10 18:43:26 UTC
So as many has stated before drones will get the same bounty levels as the other pirate faction... Which makes no sense in my book as drones will not drop ANY loot + salvage is garbage. So do you think we could get a higher bounty system becasue drones dont have any loot or something else to compensate for the lack of he loots?
Mors Magne
Terra Incognita
#228 - 2012-04-10 18:46:58 UTC  |  Edited by: Mors Magne
I live in the drone regions and I'm pleased.

I enjoy the odd bit of ratting and these changes make it a viable pastime again.

However, I agree that they should have more bounty because there are no officer spawns.
Coolsmoke
State War Academy
Caldari State
#229 - 2012-04-10 18:50:00 UTC  |  Edited by: Coolsmoke
Didn't read this all, so I hope someone has already pointed this out...

" bringing us to a point where we now have all 1/10 to 10/10 pirate deadspace sites in game,"

Not True.

There is NO ANGEL 6/10 PLEX for starters
Elrianmk2
#230 - 2012-04-10 18:52:43 UTC
Well it's not going to take long for the cloaky roams to start out in the drone regions again, after all they will only have industrials sitting in paper thin boats out there as no one is going to rat much except to buy Bpos. Mind you, I guess that's the plan, create the drones as the unwanted part of entry level 0.0, you know where the bankers roam. Mind you no real change from when I flew out there really.

Sometimes "Meh" is an acceptable response.
St Mio
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#231 - 2012-04-10 18:56:58 UTC
Coolsmoke wrote:
Didn't read this all, so I hope someone has already pointed this out...

" bringing us to a point where we now have all 1/10 to 10/10 pirate deadspace sites in game,"

Not True.

There is NO ANGEL 6/10 PLEX for starters

They know, they're looking into it, they said this a few pages back
Halycon Gamma
Perkone
Caldari State
#232 - 2012-04-10 19:10:24 UTC  |  Edited by: Halycon Gamma
Whenever CCP goes back to the Jesus Feature mentality, and we all know its going to happen sooner or later, the very first thing better be the Nullsec Industry Expansion[tm]. Since what little of it that exists just got wiped out.
nestafarios
stooge in plain sight
#233 - 2012-04-10 19:13:54 UTC
So in terms of eve economy this revamping of trusec will have a positive aspect on the game?

When ships to mineral aspects are way off to begin with, example: (freighter) 6 months ago cost 450 mill to buy now costs 1.2 bill, drake and hurricane which were at 30 are now at 60+, so how is raping the truesec going to stimulate more mining and the EVE economy?

Mining indexes rely on the trusec status as well, Drones just having bounties and no other “loot” persé will have a rising effect on min prices and building prices, so the market will not come down at all but go even higher, how will this help the new player entering eve for the first time, Players from DUST514 who want to enter EVE will have a long time to wait before they can get into say a dreadnaught for air support, so they wont necessarily be willing to take that time will they? It already takes for ever to get into a place where the new player can afford to do anything, and how will this stimulate the migration to low, and nulsec?

Right now nullsec is not appealing to anybody but a large alliance, and even then the alliances charge an arm and a leg for the corp. to join, so the large alliances take the isk and the prime moons and leave the little guy to JUST mine or rat, which is the equivalent of doing level 4 missions in HS.

On side note, EVE politics is basically run by the big alliances who exploit their members into voting for their guy anyway (CSM) who only represent the interests they are lobbying for and the rest of the population gets unheard.
I guess the long and short of it is that I don’t fail understand how this will make EVE a better sandbox. Represent all players and professions in EVE!!
J Kunjeh
#234 - 2012-04-10 19:16:59 UTC
ChromeStriker wrote:
like

So what loot will the drones drop?? Straight


Did you even read the damn thing?

"The world as we know it came about through an anomaly (anomou)" (The Gospel of Philip, 1-5) 
Eva Volkova
Perkone
Caldari State
#235 - 2012-04-10 19:17:14 UTC
I will love to see how CPP thinks drone regions are balanced.

" The overall goal of all these changes is to make the drone regions more economically balanced." CCP Affinity

Drone regions where balanced in the idea Alloys where better than bounties. So we had worse salvage. We dont have any good complex. Exploration is null. We didnt have officer stuff because we didnt need it. Of course we didnt have haulers.

EvA
Venix
An Eye For An Eye
Phoebe Freeport Republic
#236 - 2012-04-10 19:17:52 UTC
nestafarios wrote:
So in terms of eve economy this revamping of trusec will have a positive aspect on the game?

When ships to mineral aspects are way off to begin with, example: (freighter) 6 months ago cost 450 mill to buy now costs 1.2 bill, drake and hurricane which were at 30 are now at 60+, so how is raping the truesec going to stimulate more mining and the EVE economy?

Mining indexes rely on the trusec status as well, Drones just having bounties and no other “loot” persé will have a rising effect on min prices and building prices, so the market will not come down at all but go even higher, how will this help the new player entering eve for the first time, Players from DUST514 who want to enter EVE will have a long time to wait before they can get into say a dreadnaught for air support, so they wont necessarily be willing to take that time will they? It already takes for ever to get into a place where the new player can afford to do anything, and how will this stimulate the migration to low, and nulsec?

Right now nullsec is not appealing to anybody but a large alliance, and even then the alliances charge an arm and a leg for the corp. to join, so the large alliances take the isk and the prime moons and leave the little guy to JUST mine or rat, which is the equivalent of doing level 4 missions in HS.

On side note, EVE politics is basically run by the big alliances who exploit their members into voting for their guy anyway (CSM) who only represent the interests they are lobbying for and the rest of the population gets unheard.
I guess the long and short of it is that I don’t fail understand how this will make EVE a better sandbox. Represent all players and professions in EVE!!



I live in null sec and I am not part of a big ally. Just saying...
Ceaser Diez
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#237 - 2012-04-10 19:19:44 UTC
Eva Volkova wrote:
I will love to see how CPP thinks drone regions are balanced.

" The overall goal of all these changes is to make the drone regions more economically balanced." CCP Affinity

Drone regions where balanced in the idea Alloys where better than bounties. So we had worse salvage. We dont have any good complex. Exploration is null. We didnt have officer stuff because we didnt need it. Of course we didnt have haulers.

EvA


Because now you have the same bounties as every other NPC rat in the game! Joy & balance for all!
J Kunjeh
#238 - 2012-04-10 19:20:57 UTC
Terrorfrodo wrote:
Good, you made mining profitable again. I always thought it was wrong that the main source of minerals was not mining, but shooting things.

But now you need to change the actual process of mining into something that can be enjoyable to someone who isn't yet brain-dead. Even I may start mining when it yields 200 m/hour, but I'm still going to hate it.


You stole my post right out of my fingertips. Seriously, this is an awesome step forward, now work on making mining FUN and ENGAGING.

"The world as we know it came about through an anomaly (anomou)" (The Gospel of Philip, 1-5) 
Ceaser Diez
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#239 - 2012-04-10 19:23:43 UTC
Venix wrote:
nestafarios wrote:
So in terms of eve economy this revamping of trusec will have a positive aspect on the game?

When ships to mineral aspects are way off to begin with, example: (freighter) 6 months ago cost 450 mill to buy now costs 1.2 bill, drake and hurricane which were at 30 are now at 60+, so how is raping the truesec going to stimulate more mining and the EVE economy?

Mining indexes rely on the trusec status as well, Drones just having bounties and no other “loot” persé will have a rising effect on min prices and building prices, so the market will not come down at all but go even higher, how will this help the new player entering eve for the first time, Players from DUST514 who want to enter EVE will have a long time to wait before they can get into say a dreadnaught for air support, so they wont necessarily be willing to take that time will they? It already takes for ever to get into a place where the new player can afford to do anything, and how will this stimulate the migration to low, and nulsec?

Right now nullsec is not appealing to anybody but a large alliance, and even then the alliances charge an arm and a leg for the corp. to join, so the large alliances take the isk and the prime moons and leave the little guy to JUST mine or rat, which is the equivalent of doing level 4 missions in HS.

On side note, EVE politics is basically run by the big alliances who exploit their members into voting for their guy anyway (CSM) who only represent the interests they are lobbying for and the rest of the population gets unheard.
I guess the long and short of it is that I don’t fail understand how this will make EVE a better sandbox. Represent all players and professions in EVE!!



I live in null sec and I am not part of a big ally. Just saying...


Where do you hold SOV? Whose your member on the CSM? What pull and sway do you have in the game?
Herping yourDerp
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
#240 - 2012-04-10 19:24:01 UTC
i will lol if mining becomes the number 1 money maker for high low and null sec.