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Armor repairer vs Shield boosters
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Roime
Mea Culpa.
Shadow Cartel
#61 - 2012-04-10 11:56:59 UTC
Perihelion Olenard wrote:
I can comment on it because this isn't my first character. I also played from 2006-2010, and I can say that damage wasn't quite this ridiculous back then. Active tanking didn't get nerfed, damage got buffed. That's why it's falling behind. I mean 1400 DPS on a battlecruiser? That's just stupid to me. I have always despised buffer nano fits and I was glad when CCP changed speed. Now it appears to be coming back just because damage has increased so much.

After shield explosive and armor EM resistances were lowered a bit I thought damage was fine for all turrets. Now I hear that projectiles and hybrids were buffed, a tech 3 cruiser was released that's extremely expensive but is a very powerful ship, and now a tier 3 battlecruiser was introduced that's the size of a cruiser capable of more firepower than a battleship. You say this is a sandbox, but now I cannot do what I want to do which is actively armor tank effectively. It's not even including the fact that so many ships are using neuts as well.

Oh, I have also always despised FotM ships as well just because they're good and easy. It appears that the drake and hurricane is WAY overused. I'm not going to get into a high DPS talos, nanoed, and shield buffer fit just because it's popular and good. I'll be flying ships that counter it. The same goes for that gank brutix.


I missed this reply. Cool, did you fly active Myrmidons back then?

Because I fly a dual rep Myrm when it suits our plans, and it still kills in small gangs. Think of the active tank just as a very large buffer, that requires pushing some buttons. In some cases, like being caught by smaller ships, it's way better than a typical BC-size buffer. Last fight I had in it was when I baited a gang of Arazu, Geddon and Deimos. Myrm tanked those two just fine, until they died. The Arazu got away.

I don't fly anything because it's popular or good, I fly what I like- hey, I'm a pure Gallente pilot and won't fly anything else :D I fly (or try, I'm not yet used to that kind of speed) the Talos because it's ******* sexy!

Luckily this race has great variety, all the way from ultra-ganky beasts to resilient active tankers. There's a place for every ship to shine, you might want to try wormholes and lowsec where the environment still is greatly in favour of solo and very small gang.

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Sonny Dang
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#62 - 2012-04-10 12:29:35 UTC
DeBingJos wrote:
Sonny Dang wrote:
Quote:
????? dual armor rep domi???????
Please. The Dominix is not for pvp.


I really hope you're trolling...


I'm not even troliing :)))) Please show me that a Domi can pvp. I would love to see that.
Sonny Dang
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#63 - 2012-04-10 12:31:47 UTC
Quote:
I don't fly anything because it's popular or good, I fly what I like- hey, I'm a pure Gallente pilot and won't fly anything else :D I fly (or try, I'm not yet used to that kind of speed) the Talos because it's ******* sexy!


I too fly talos because it's sexy. I can't help but feel satisfied when i stare at the prop engine at the back of the ship ... DAT ENGINE hmmm :p
Robert Caldera
Caldera Trading and Investment
#64 - 2012-04-10 12:39:20 UTC
why does one expect armor and shield being the same? Those are 2 different things for a reason.
As others stated, shields != armor!!
Sven Hammerstorm
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#65 - 2012-04-10 12:42:05 UTC
Sonny Dang wrote:
DeBingJos wrote:
Sonny Dang wrote:
Quote:
????? dual armor rep domi???????
Please. The Dominix is not for pvp.


I really hope you're trolling...


I'm not even troliing :)))) Please show me that a Domi can pvp. I would love to see that.


Why would you think domi cant pvp?
Sonny Dang
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#66 - 2012-04-10 12:42:34 UTC
Robert Caldera wrote:
why does one expect armor and shield being the same? Those are 2 different things for a reason.
As others stated, shields != armor!!


No one is expecting them to be the same. The point that this thread is trying to make is that one is somewhat inferior to the other. Specifically, what I'm trying to say is that, while both types have repair modules, the armor repairer is very inefficient while the shield booster is.
Sonny Dang
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#67 - 2012-04-10 12:44:31 UTC
Quote:
Why would you think domi cant pvp?


Low tank, low dps, slow, drone bonus is useless.
DeBingJos
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#68 - 2012-04-10 13:00:06 UTC
Sonny Dang wrote:
Quote:
Why would you think domi cant pvp?


Low tank, low dps, slow, drone bonus is useless.


6/10 You almost got me there ;)

Ungi maðurinn þekkir reglurnar, en gamli maðurinn þekkir undantekningarnar. The young man knows the rules, but the old man knows the exceptions.

Sonny Dang
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#69 - 2012-04-10 13:04:47 UTC
Quote:
6/10 You almost got me there ;)


OMG how can i say this?? I'm not trolling :))

Please show me otherwise, the Domi can't pvp !! It's for missioning :))
Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#70 - 2012-04-10 14:12:55 UTC
Sonny Dang wrote:
DeBingJos wrote:
Sonny Dang wrote:
Quote:
????? dual armor rep domi???????
Please. The Dominix is not for pvp.


I really hope you're trolling...


I'm not even troliing :)))) Please show me that a Domi can pvp. I would love to see that.


What is this I don't even?

I trust you're a student, not a teacher, in IVY?

"Just remember later that I warned against any change to jump ranges or fatigue. You earned whats coming."

Grath Telkin, 11.10.2016
Sonny Dang
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#71 - 2012-04-10 14:16:11 UTC
Quote:
What is this I don't even?

I trust you're a student, not a teacher, in IVY?


I'm a student indeed, but does being in EUNI make my questions any less serious?
Roime
Mea Culpa.
Shadow Cartel
#72 - 2012-04-10 14:54:32 UTC
Just in case you are not trolling:

Typically triple-plated Domi has a pretty massive tank, can either field crazy amount of dps with blasters+drones (drone dps is applicable to targets of any size) or having terrific utility of a hi rack full of neuts while still being able to contribute to gang damage.

Neut Domi is a classic ship, Hospital Domi as well, dual rep Domi is easily one of the most viable solo battleships in game.

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X Gallentius
Black Eagle1
#73 - 2012-04-10 15:41:20 UTC
Armor tankers get bonuses from ship modifications (remote reppers), drugs, implants that are not available to shield reppers.
Misanthra
Alternative Enterprises
#74 - 2012-04-10 15:51:46 UTC
Sonny Dang wrote:
Robert Caldera wrote:
why does one expect armor and shield being the same? Those are 2 different things for a reason.
As others stated, shields != armor!!


No one is expecting them to be the same. The point that this thread is trying to make is that one is somewhat inferior to the other. Specifically, what I'm trying to say is that, while both types have repair modules, the armor repairer is very inefficient while the shield booster is.



but your armour tankers can rely on hull. Granted gallente does this better but when the armour is getting beat down mechanic 5 and DCU II lets you dip into hull just a bit to get the reppers some buffer as it were.

Shield tankers do not get nearly the same effect. they get some bleed through to armour unless an OCD idiot who trained TSM to 5....but in many deaths in many shield setups, once >25% that bleedthrough is not helping the same as the hull tank bleed through an armour tank can get.. Hasn't for me anyway. Shields down to 0 in short order and with caldari ships especially, thats basically all she wrote most of the time. Lol armour, lol hull and boom. DCU II does not help this much...**** resists on the gooey insides. Mech and HU 5 give small boosts to a small starting out number. This is why no tank scorps and falcons can be legit fits. The tank is already questionable so that if something burns throught the jams they will tag you with good hits. may as well boost your ecm with low slot mods to prevent burn throughs of your jams.
Aranakas
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#75 - 2012-04-10 16:02:26 UTC
>PVP
>In a Domi

Why would you do this to yourself?

Aranakas CEO of Green Anarchy Green vs Green
Biced
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#76 - 2012-04-10 18:00:29 UTC
Sonny Dang wrote:
Robert Caldera wrote:
why does one expect armor and shield being the same? Those are 2 different things for a reason.
As others stated, shields != armor!!


No one is expecting them to be the same. The point that this thread is trying to make is that one is somewhat inferior to the other. Specifically, what I'm trying to say is that, while both types have repair modules, the armor repairer is very inefficient while the shield booster is.


yet the point that this thread is making is that someone is somewhat clueless.
Cipher Jones
The Thomas Edwards Taco Tuesday All Stars
#77 - 2012-04-10 18:10:30 UTC
There's local repping, remote repping, active tank, passive tank, and buffer tank.

All of them have their place. All of them are made of win if you know how to fit. All of them are made of fail if you do not.

internet spaceships

are serious business sir.

and don't forget it
Hrett
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#78 - 2012-04-10 23:29:22 UTC
Sonny Dang wrote:
Quote:
6/10 You almost got me there ;)


OMG how can i say this?? I'm not trolling :))

Please show me otherwise, the Domi can't pvp !! It's for missioning :))



Go here, scroll down to 'Kessah' and enjoy. I am not sure which one features his dual rep domi, but watching them all cant hurt.

In fact, here is a version of the fit from an excellent pvper, blobbed and killed by EUNI, no less.

And I'm EUNI, class of '07. ;)

spaceship, Spaceship, SPACESHIP!
Perihelion Olenard
#79 - 2012-04-11 10:53:39 UTC
X Gallentius wrote:
Armor tankers get bonuses from ship modifications (remote reppers), drugs, implants that are not available to shield reppers.


Shield tanks get remote shield transfer modules, drugs, and implants too.
Perihelion Olenard
#80 - 2012-04-11 11:00:25 UTC  |  Edited by: Perihelion Olenard
Hrett wrote:
Sonny Dang wrote:
Quote:
6/10 You almost got me there ;)


OMG how can i say this?? I'm not trolling :))

Please show me otherwise, the Domi can't pvp !! It's for missioning :))



Go here, scroll down to 'Kessah' and enjoy. I am not sure which one features his dual rep domi, but watching them all cant hurt.

In fact, here is a version of the fit from an excellent pvper, blobbed and killed by EUNI, no less.

And I'm EUNI, class of '07. ;)

Medium lasers. Why use unbonused weapons on it? With this fit it'll barely do more DPS than a myrmidon. It's not using navy cap booster 800s either which are much superior. Powergrid can be freed up by switching a large cap booster to a medium, but it still doesn't have enough to put a real PvP fit on it without going to a plated setup. At least with the plated setup you can fit ions on it (large turrets, not medium) with a powergrid implant to put out some respectable DPS. You can also drop a cap booster and have a free fifth slot. If you have slaves it'll make good use of the plates as well. You could forgo the powergrid implant if you drop one blaster cannon for a drone link augmentor.