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Belle Black
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#1 - 2012-03-23 20:22:49 UTC
Without starting a flame-fest about anyone's personal opinions on case-sensitive filesystems . . .

The current EVE Online Updater or Mac fails for me because it's depending on case-insensitivty, and I'm installed on a case-sensitive HFS+ FS:

IOError: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: '/users/_____/library/application support/eve online/repair_download_cache/tmpkef6bx_0.datapile'

Please fix?

Thanks!
Fairhand
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#2 - 2012-03-25 16:52:28 UTC
What OS are you using? Is it on the System Requirements list?
Ivana Twinkle
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#3 - 2012-03-26 12:53:29 UTC
Is there really any sensible reason to use case sensitive hfs+ any more?
Zotikos Xenon
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#4 - 2012-03-26 19:18:29 UTC
I would drop the case sensitive support, Apple really only intended that format to be used for large volume data storage(not startup disks). There are lots of applications that will not run on a case sensitive system (such as Adobe apps). Case sensitivity was not designed to run an OS in it, although there are apps that are designed to run on case sensitive filesystems (usually database software and proprietary).

I would not wait around for fix to this, because most see it as a non issue.
Glarbl Blarbl
Orion-Glarbl Mining Bureau
#5 - 2012-03-27 22:20:10 UTC
Sorry, but you're wrong.

This is a bug.

It should be easy to fix, since it's obviously a bug in the launcher -- not the game itself. I was happily running eve on my macbook until the stupid ass launcher was deployed.

Fix this, I don't care how many people come here and say that it's a non-issue since it doesn't affect them. I paid for a subscription to this game, it should work as it has for years now.

Also, this will totally **** linux users.
Zotikos Xenon
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#6 - 2012-03-27 23:11:10 UTC
No one said it's not an issue, it is an issue, but only with case sensitive file systems.

If you don't have a legit reason to run case sensitive, I wouldn't do it. You probably don't have any reason to, especially since you are using it on a notebook.

Are you aware why it's not a good idea to run case sensitive unless you NEED it?

I wasn't aware CCP was sill supporting linux??? In fact last I heard they don't.
Glarbl Blarbl
Orion-Glarbl Mining Bureau
#7 - 2012-03-27 23:30:46 UTC
Well ok, wine will probably handle the case issue.

I googled around a bit, but didn't see anything saying I was supposed to check with Zotikos Xenon before I used my computer the way I wanted to.
Fairhand
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#8 - 2012-03-28 07:04:49 UTC
Fair enough, but that doesn't give you the right to demand that other folks write their apps the way YOU want them to.
Zotikos Xenon
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#9 - 2012-03-28 14:20:19 UTC  |  Edited by: Zotikos Xenon
When you write apps, you can write them anyway you want to. I'm not CCP, so I have no say how they write them. I never said you have to use your computer the way I say, I say run it the way you want, but if you do out of the norm you may have issues

Did you file a bug report?

Good Day
Glarbl Blarbl
Orion-Glarbl Mining Bureau
#10 - 2012-03-28 15:25:20 UTC  |  Edited by: Glarbl Blarbl
I paid to run this app, it worked up until two weeks ago. I think I have a right to be annoyed.

Filing a bug report now. # 131423
Glarbl Blarbl
Orion-Glarbl Mining Bureau
#11 - 2012-04-03 17:46:05 UTC
This bug is still present as of 1.6.3
Glarbl Blarbl
Orion-Glarbl Mining Bureau
#12 - 2012-04-10 16:57:26 UTC
Hi, me again.

Just wondering if there is any progress being made on this bug? It's been present and known for nearly a month, during which I have not been able to patch my macbook.

I've seen a number of other mac users posting about this bug, so it's not just me. Even just a manual patcher would be welcomed, as we were promised one last week. I'm not afraid of the command line (as evidenced by my willingness to use a case-sensitive file systems, and I have specific technical requirements which necessitate using said filesystem), so even a little CLI magic is fine with me.

Really any progress at all would be greatly appreciated.
Zotikos Xenon
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#13 - 2012-04-10 17:46:28 UTC  |  Edited by: Zotikos Xenon
Have you tried a case-insensitive volume...I don't mean reinstall OS X, just put Eve on a volume that is not case sensitive and run it from that.

I don't know if it will work but it's with a shot.

Being OS X, you might be better off running the OS from a case insensitive volume and use other hard drives/volumes for the case sensitive data.
Glarbl Blarbl
Orion-Glarbl Mining Bureau
#14 - 2012-04-10 18:06:02 UTC
heh, actually the way I have it set up is that there is a root partition which is case-insensitive but not terribly big (this mbp came w a 120gb drive which I swapped out for a 250gb after the warranty expired.) Then a linux boot (tried setting up eve on that with limited success -- used to work but then libraries changed after the new launcher and i got tired of banging my head against it) then a third, and largest, partition for apps and music. The apps/music partition is the one that has to be case sensitive since it has to sync back and forth to a linux file server and needs to be accessible from the linux boot. I keep my multitrack audio files on that partition as well as applications and the download folder. I symlink the application folder on the apps/music partition (not its real name obv) to the root partition.

If this goes much longer I might try a trick that was cooked up to work around the same issue with the steam loader consisting of making a case-insensitive dmg file to wrap the launcher in -- you mount it and run the app from there. Problem is that it has to be re-done each time the launcher/steam is updated and it's an annoying, time-consuming process.

thanks though!
Glarbl Blarbl
Orion-Glarbl Mining Bureau
#15 - 2012-04-24 15:31:49 UTC
Well, hope springs eternal -- but I'm not optimistic this bug will be fixed. The workaround developed for Steam works as well (actually slightly less annoyingly) on EVE.

So the workaround:

Make yourself a sparse image disk bundle from the disk utility app. I made mine about 13GB, big enough to house EVE plus expansions down the road. Set it "No Partition Map" and Mac OS Extended (Journaled) for the format. It apparently doesn't matter if the name of the disk image has uppercase letters.

Now just copy your EVE installation, launcher and all onto your new dmg file. It works without moving your ~/Library/Application Support/EVE files to the disk image.

Now when you want to play EVE on your case-sensitive hfs+ filesystem all you have to do is mount that dmg file and run the EVE app from there. As of this morning it was able to generate and apply the patch for build 364755. Unlike steam you won't need to download a new launcher every time it's updated.

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My gut tells me that this adds overhead, so it's not an optimal solution -- but i guess it's no different than mounting an iso on windows to play a game. If anyone has solid numbers to add regarding additional resources required to do this workaround I'd be interested in hearing them.

Fly safe!
Aossi
Ostensibly Orthogonal
#16 - 2012-04-24 19:58:34 UTC
Oops, I made a new thread before seeing this. It is completely ridiculous that this bug exists, considering how easy it is to test. Case-sensitive HFS is a 100% supported configuration by Apple, and all applications are expected to run correctly on it.
Drake Draconis
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#17 - 2012-04-25 03:37:24 UTC  |  Edited by: Drake Draconis
*EDIT* Nevermind... honestly the OP should stop making life so damned complicated and follow the KISS Principle.

Macbook pros are not Mac Pro's....and to be honest....linux file server requiring case sensitivity?

You MUST be doing something wrong...or your saying things you think are correct but aren't.

I recognize the fact Linux is case sensitive but there are multiple solutions available that don't require you to shoot yourself in the foot.



And in-case your forgetting...EVE online is strictly windows.

Even the Mac one....it just gets tricked into thinking its for Mac.... its wrapped up in an emulator that gives it a rough windows environment to run on your mac.

You give it a minefield to run in...don't expect it to go through unscathed.

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Glarbl Blarbl
Orion-Glarbl Mining Bureau
#18 - 2012-04-25 15:41:04 UTC
Sigh... I love it when anonymous people come on the internet and tell me that I'm stupid and wrong without any evidence. I don't know what people think they are adding to the conversation when they say "your problem isn't really a problem."

Let me spell it out for you case-sensitive haters:
I'm not going to compromise my professional setup so i can play a game (one which worked fine on this system last month). It makes my life easier when I'm doing my REAL-LIFE JOB if i have case-sensitive filesystems. Clear enough for you?
Aossi
Ostensibly Orthogonal
#19 - 2012-04-25 22:13:02 UTC  |  Edited by: Aossi
Indeed. I do not understand why someone would be opposed to CCP fixing a bug. It may not affect everyone, but it is a serious issue nonetheless.

Like Glarbl Blarbl, I have EVE installed on some machines I also use for work. As a professional software developer, I require a case-sensitive file system, and it's quite irritating to have to jump through hoops to get EVE working. (And it worked fine until Crucible, I believe.)