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New Dev Blog: Carebearing 2.0

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Astroniomix
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#101 - 2012-04-10 16:24:04 UTC
fenistil wrote:
CCP Affinity,

What predictions do you think it will have on mineral prices?
There are a lot of minerals coming from drone regions to empire.
If drone regions will not supply the minerals any longer, and the demand stays the same, I guess it is safe to assume the mineral prices will increase?
It would be an interesting thing to know what % of all minerals are being supplied by drone regions now.

The beautiful thing about EvE is that as mineral prices riise, more people will start mining because they will notice those jucy buy orders that need filling.
Kalestra Cable
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#102 - 2012-04-10 16:24:42 UTC
Jeicam Mmis wrote:
will killing drones bump security status?



nope


CCP Affinity wrote:
Tsubutai wrote:
Does this mean that killing rogue drones will also increase security status now?



At the moment rogue drones function exactly as before - so no sec status increase, however, we might look into this at a later point.
Lyrrashae
Hellstar Towing and Recovery
#103 - 2012-04-10 16:24:42 UTC
Alx Warlord wrote:


[...]

Now we just need a cloak hunter ship to prevent people from ruining the industrial level of the systems by staying there cloaked until it reaches 0...

[...]

THX CCP! You are doing a wonderful work!


Oh for ****'s sakes...This over-entitled whinging crap again...Roll

No, you don't.

Team up and make the effort to secure your space to the point that the big, bad, scawwy cloakie knows he practically can't decloak without getting insta-popped. And if you refuse to do that, then you deserve to lose the benefits of your space.

Ni.
Sigras
Conglomo
#104 - 2012-04-10 16:26:32 UTC
does this mean that the drones will drop no loot at all? Do the drones then give more isk then other pirates to make up for the lack of faction spawns and meta 4 drops?
St Mio
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#105 - 2012-04-10 16:28:24 UTC
Hello CCP!

Three questions!

Easy "yes we are aware" / "no we are not aware" ones:

Quote:
(...) bringing us to a point where we now have all 1/10 to 10/10 pirate deadspace sites in game, bringing this project close to completion.

1. Are you aware that no one in game has seen an Angel Cartel or Serpentis DED 6/10 site?

2. Are you guys aware that the new DED 3/10s have the same initial signal strength as the DED 4/10s? None of the other DED sites share signal strengths. (Example)

3. Are you guys aware that when you added deadspace Invulnerability fields, Angel Cartel became the only faction dropping cruiser A-type loot in highsec?
Nendail Smith
Lockheed Nighthawk
#106 - 2012-04-10 16:29:23 UTC  |  Edited by: Nendail Smith
Blakslabeth wrote:
So the summary is:

#1 More expensive ships
#2 Less ability to make isk in incursions
#3 If you live in the drone region your true sec now sucks.

Hard to get excited about 3 nerfs in one blog.


LOL. It buffed the miners, I guess you're not a miner and it is your turn to supply some tears. :)
Einar Matveinen
Mahe Ratu
#107 - 2012-04-10 16:38:00 UTC
Eva Volkova wrote:
So drones will get bounties like any other npc but no tipe of loot?

Will you change anomalies / plexes for drone regoins?

Will drones have officer drops?

Will drones have haulers?

EvA


I think this is important, any clue for these questions?
Visreae
Iskitution Philanderies Associated
#108 - 2012-04-10 16:41:05 UTC
CCP Affinity wrote:
Visreae wrote:
Oh and thanks for not answering peoples question in the forums, I think its swell that you can start a thread and then ignore the conversation that arises, really.



Do you think in the future, before you make these changes, you could post your intentions and thoughts and get our feedback BEFORE you wreck an economy?




I'm getting around to the questions ;) patience...

and we did have forum threads, CSM feedback + fanfest feedback


Patience is waiting 8 years for a Missile turret. Asking question only to be ignored and ugly shoes thrown in my face is Sainthood.
Nendail Smith
Lockheed Nighthawk
#109 - 2012-04-10 16:42:09 UTC
J'Rela wrote:
CCP Phantom wrote:
Read this dev blog by CCP Affinity from Team Five 0 and learn everything you always wanted to know about 'carebearing 2.0' (but were afraid to ask)!


tl;dr: CCP swings the nerfbat around like a blind drunk in a fog, removing everything unique and interesting about the Drone Regions in the process.

Please, CCP, stop trying to alter player behavior. You can't change what you don't understand.

I know we've never actually done the "Sandbox" and "Big and Uneven" things you always talk about. Could we maybe try those, instead of making everything more prescriptive and more like everything else with every new patch?


As a reformed miner I still love all these tears.
Nendail Smith
Lockheed Nighthawk
#110 - 2012-04-10 16:42:54 UTC
TheButcherPete wrote:
First you remove my alloys, risking the possibility of destroying our economy for a long period of time. Then you keep Mining so ******* boring that most people can only bear doing it by Botting. But then you crack down on bots. THEN, you **** up my trusec.

I've been very understanding of you, CCP, but this is a step too far. Thanks for destroying the value of my home.


lol
Chris Wheeler
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#111 - 2012-04-10 16:44:44 UTC
I'm assuming that the alloys I currently have will remain as they are after this change and I won't have to run and log in quick to refine them before the patch rolls?
CCP Affinity
C C P
C C P Alliance
#112 - 2012-04-10 16:45:19 UTC
DaDutchDude wrote:
Interesting changes which are already shaping EVE mineral markets today.

So a couple of questions:
1) Will Rogue Drones start dropping normal loot?
2) Will Rogue Drones salvage be increased? It seems today their salvage is quite below par.
3) Will you look into Rogue Drone exploration sites and escalations? Currently, their value is very low (who really wants 'augmented' or 'Integrated' drones?) and could use some new modules / blue prints / etc to be as interesting as the pirate faction drops.
4) How long will it take for the insurance values to adjust to the change in mineral prices? Already, the mineral prices have shot up significantly, and I assume the market will take months after this (if not longer) to adjust to the new realities. It seems a bit unfair if the insurance value for T1 ships lags so far behind players don't get compensated for these drastic changes.
5) Your blog doesn't mention this, but there's also talk about eliminating all T1 module drops from all NPCs. Can you confirm? And does that mean less loot, or will the entire loot drop table be revised to replace T1 drops with meta modules, and thereby reducing the chance for meta 4 modules?



1. No - Commander groups have loot tables, regular deadspace rogue drones don't
2. at the moment we have no plans to do this - but who knows!
3. We will definitely look into this :) not confirming we will do anything about it right away but it's definitely on our list of things to investigate
4. Pretty impossible for me to answer that and I am definitely not the person to be doing so - would need to be someone from research and statistics
5. confirmed - they will be replaced with metal scraps

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Lyrrashae
Hellstar Towing and Recovery
#113 - 2012-04-10 16:46:15 UTC
Visreae wrote:


You do not have my permission to do this. Please consult with me in the future before you make more mistakes. Thank you.

To be clear drones will be worth even less than any other pirate, which they already were, in order to make mining look more attractive. Are you kidding me? No loot, and worst salvage, and you think "Hey drones are OP, lets nerf them for the miners!" Please stop huffing the dry erase markers.



I can haz ur stuffs?

Ni.
CCP Affinity
C C P
C C P Alliance
#114 - 2012-04-10 16:48:56 UTC
TheButcherPete wrote:
Giving drones with bounties, but then no sec status increase doesn't make sense. ATM, Rogue Drones replicate themselves, thus CONCORD has no idea that they exist unless killing them sends a signal that the NPC has died, and that it had to exist in order to die. CONCORD acknowledges that the NPC died, awards bounty but no sec status increase? In order for BOUNTIES to work you must be WANTED by CONCORD. I'm really disappointed in the Devs that tackled the Drone Region problem.



As I stated before, at the moment they don't... but it's something we will be looking into

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BlindFury
Genbuku.
Psycho Unicorn Squad
#115 - 2012-04-10 16:49:16 UTC
So, once these changes are done, will there be any way in game to receive drone alloys?
Nendail Smith
Lockheed Nighthawk
#116 - 2012-04-10 16:49:57 UTC
Alx Warlord wrote:
TheButcherPete wrote:
Chalk Inferno up as a failure, CCP will change too much too quickly. Unless... they add something that completely fixes the stuff they're about to **** over.


This change was pointed by CSM in the last meeting, so it is the community voice that is supporting this changes. It was needed...

I'm really sorry for you living in the drone region, now you will rat for isk, not for minerals, so you will buy minerals with isk, from the miners... and the game will be to you as it is for everyone else... so give them some love... the more miners there is the less isk you will need to pay for your minerals...


I love this concept as a reformed miner. Wanna-be PVPers (you know the ones that like to shoot stuff that can't shoot back the most) don't realize that now when they start killing miners, they are actually going to start pushing up the prices of minerals.

Now if industrialists could just get the ****** industrialists with the economical sense of Obama to stop building crap for less than you can buy the minerals required for it off the market. The "It didn't cost me nothing to mine it" is such an uneducated look at economy. Of course those are probably the same people that are willing to work for less than minimum wage.
Joe D'Trader
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#117 - 2012-04-10 16:51:15 UTC
Can you look at buffing Scout sites to even 3 mill/player. Seriously what's the point of them? Make them as long as Vanguards, but the reward needs to be worth something.
CCP Affinity
C C P
C C P Alliance
#118 - 2012-04-10 16:52:25 UTC
Amaya Ishii wrote:
Will the alloys be gone for good (i. e., no chance of drop whatsoever)? Will you remove all the alloys from the game when the Escalation patch rolls out?



Confirmed, they are completely removed from drops and replaced with bounties

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EvilweaselFinance
GoonCorp
Goonswarm Federation
#119 - 2012-04-10 16:52:55 UTC
CCP Affinity wrote:
5. confirmed - they will be replaced with metal scraps

Pardon? Could you elaborate on this, this is news. Just normal metal scraps, or will there be various types of metal scraps?
gfldex
#120 - 2012-04-10 16:52:59 UTC
fenistil wrote:
If drone regions will not supply the minerals any longer, and the demand stays the same, I guess it is safe to assume the mineral prices will increase?


Demand wont stay the same. What was seen as a bubble in the mineral market has stabelised. Banned bots are banned. In the good old days we had plenty of caps for mineral prices (hello Mr Shuttle). All that stuff is gone. What is not gone is the covert cyno. AFK cloaker will be a big problem now. It's fairly easy to move to next system if you want to shoot NPCs. If you want to mine those roids, you need to be close to them.

It's going to be a complete mess. :)

fenistil wrote:
It would be an interesting thing to know what % of all minerals are being supplied by drone regions now.


About 40% of all highends. Lowmins where mostly used to build supers.

If you take all the sand out of the box, only the cat poo will remain.