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New Dev Blog: Carebearing 2.0

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Bayushi Tamago
Sect of the Crimson Eisa
#61 - 2012-04-10 15:31:42 UTC
These drone changes are good for miners, however, all of these changes are going to screw the manufacturers so hard that everything will double in price. It's already started to happen with a lot of bigger ships. When is CCP going to step in to adjust prices to be manageable again?
DaDutchDude
Some Random Corporation
#62 - 2012-04-10 15:32:20 UTC  |  Edited by: DaDutchDude
Interesting changes which are already shaping EVE mineral markets today.

So a couple of questions:
1) Will Rogue Drones start dropping normal loot?
2) Will Rogue Drones salvage be increased? It seems today their salvage is quite below par.
3) Will you look into Rogue Drone exploration sites and escalations? Currently, their value is very low (who really wants 'augmented' or 'Integrated' drones?) and could use some new modules / blue prints / etc to be as interesting as the pirate faction drops.
4) How long will it take for the insurance values to adjust to the change in mineral prices? Already, the mineral prices have shot up significantly, and I assume the market will take months after this (if not longer) to adjust to the new realities. It seems a bit unfair if the insurance value for T1 ships lags so far behind players don't get compensated for these drastic changes.
5) Your blog doesn't mention this, but there's also talk about eliminating all T1 module drops from all NPCs. Can you confirm? And does that mean less loot, or will the entire loot drop table be revised to replace T1 drops with meta modules, and thereby reducing the chance for meta 4 modules?

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Gnidex
Shadow Legion X
Seriously Suspicious
#63 - 2012-04-10 15:35:36 UTC
Copypasta from the blog.
Quote:
In Crucible 1.5, released on 13th March 2012, he added 3 more deadspace sites, bringing us to a point where we now have all 1/10 to 10/10 pirate deadspace sites in game, bringing this project close to completion.

Is this a fact? I've yet to encounter a 6/10 serpentis plex, that's why i'm asking for confirmation.
TheMercenaryKing
Collapsed Out
Pandemic Legion
#64 - 2012-04-10 15:37:43 UTC
Oh hell yeah, Miners get love. Only downfall, there will be inflation for sometime.
Gizan
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#65 - 2012-04-10 15:38:58 UTC
CCP Affinity wrote:
Blakslabeth wrote:
So the summary is:

#1 More expensive ships
#2 Less ability to make isk in incursions
#3 If you live in the drone region your true sec now sucks.

Hard to get excited about 3 nerfs in one blog.



but.. think of the miners dude! They need love too <3



I recent news, all exhumers have been removed from the market because 99.95% if them have been suicide ganked because they SUCK at tanking anything including ships 1/10000th their cost.
Penelope Star
#66 - 2012-04-10 15:39:11 UTC
CCP Affinity wears the cutest shoes, and thus can do no wrong in my eyes Smile

I used to love collecting those rogue drones alloys but sizeable bounties sound good too.

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Alx Warlord
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#67 - 2012-04-10 15:40:36 UTC
CCP Affinity wrote:
Largo Coronet wrote:
Though we can probably make rough guesses, can you please provide us with a chart showing the bounties to be paid for each drone type?

Not sure if the Incursion changes will have much effect on how they're run, but we'll just have to see.

Any change that gives more player targets to shoot is a welcome one.



These changes will be on SISI tomorrow (hopefully - definitely this week!) They are exactly the same progression as the existing pirate NPCs


Can we have a "moveme" to drone regions?

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Vincent Athena
Photosynth
#68 - 2012-04-10 15:41:04 UTC
CCP Affinity wrote:
Largo Coronet wrote:
Though we can probably make rough guesses, can you please provide us with a chart showing the bounties to be paid for each drone type?

Not sure if the Incursion changes will have much effect on how they're run, but we'll just have to see.

Any change that gives more player targets to shoot is a welcome one.



These changes will be on SISI tomorrow (hopefully - definitely this week!) They are exactly the same progression as the existing pirate NPCs


But that means drones still will be of low value due to no sec status gain and no loot. Suggestion: Have then drop greatly reduced alloys, just enough that the mineral injection is no more than any other NPC. Also you could add drone alloys to the bill of materials for T2 drones.

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CCP Greyscale
C C P
C C P Alliance
#69 - 2012-04-10 15:41:27 UTC
Securitas Protector wrote:
As part of this change, we‘re also adjusting the security status of drone region systems. As you can see from the image above, the change is an upward adjustment in truesec across most regions, with the ones closer to empire ending up with a higher truesec than the ones further away. The overall goal of all these changes is to make the drone regions more economically balanced, and to reduce the downward pressure on mineral prices from the drone regions so mining becomes more profitable.

Am I the only one who saw the opposite on the image? All of them had either the same average truesec or lower, but in the dev blog it says the change is an UPWARD adjustment.


Sec values are getting less negative, therefore going upward (towards positive infinity). Talking about negative values is awkward :/
Elmore Jones
New Eden Mining Organisation
The Craftsmen
#70 - 2012-04-10 15:42:00 UTC
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Alx Warlord
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#71 - 2012-04-10 15:44:55 UTC
Kelduum Revaan wrote:
Alx Warlord wrote:
Also, some sort of X-Large corporate hangar for minners to store stuff on POS is realy needed.... it makes no sense storing things on a X-Large ship assembly array... Also it would be realy interesting to fave a tab for each player store its stuff...( remove the tabs and add folders or something like it...)... this could also be applied to assembly arrays!


The problem is that POS hangars and so on are all extensions of the corporation hangar stuff, and as such are tied into the horrible mess which is corp mechanics as they are at the moment.

All the UI stuff is getting some love, which will help a little, but without effectively scrapping and rewriting all of the corp mechanics (and the new an interesting ways that could break things) means its probably not going to be possible for quite some time.


Oh... this is a really deep problem... everyone that manages corps hates the actual system, it is a mess... So I bet that CCP will need to fix this in the next couple of years, especially if they want to fix the industry after the inferno...

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CCP Affinity
C C P
C C P Alliance
#72 - 2012-04-10 15:45:09 UTC
Tsubutai wrote:
Does this mean that killing rogue drones will also increase security status now?



At the moment rogue drones function exactly as before - so no sec status increase, however, we might look into this at a later point.

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Visreae
Iskitution Philanderies Associated
#73 - 2012-04-10 15:46:25 UTC
Oh and thanks for not answering peoples question in the forums, I think its swell that you can start a thread and then ignore the conversation that arises, really.



Do you think in the future, before you make these changes, you could post your intentions and thoughts and get our feedback BEFORE you wreck an economy?
Mr Bigwinky
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#74 - 2012-04-10 15:46:52 UTC
TheButcherPete wrote:
First you remove my alloys, risking the possibility of destroying our economy for a long period of time. Then you keep Mining so ******* boring that most people can only bear doing it by Botting. But then you crack down on bots. THEN, you **** up my trusec.

I've been very understanding of you, CCP, but this is a step too far. Thanks for destroying the value of my home.

Your first 5 words pointed out your NIMBY-douchbaggery.
The rest of your words confirmed it.

I'm glad you have come to the realisation that the game developers are here to make the game better, not to cater to your childish whining. Or at least i'm happy you understand the last part.

I hope your monocle was a gift.
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TheButcherPete
KarmaFleet
Goonswarm Federation
#75 - 2012-04-10 15:47:04 UTC
Chalk Inferno up as a failure, CCP will change too much too quickly. Unless... they add something that completely fixes the stuff they're about to **** over.

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EvilweaselFinance
GoonCorp
Goonswarm Federation
#76 - 2012-04-10 15:49:11 UTC
CCP Affinity wrote:
Tsubutai wrote:
Does this mean that killing rogue drones will also increase security status now?



At the moment rogue drones function exactly as before - so no sec status increase, however, we might look into this at a later point.

Will there be any change whatsoever to drones besides converting alloys into the normal bounties?
Manssell
OmiHyperMultiNationalDrunksConglomerate
#77 - 2012-04-10 15:51:40 UTC
Wondering if this is going to effect the chance of T2 salvage from Rogue Drones too? T2 salvage alone is not enough to get anyone to run the drone exploration plexs as it is now since they don't drop modules. But maybe (I doubt it though) T2 salvage and bounties might.
TheButcherPete
KarmaFleet
Goonswarm Federation
#78 - 2012-04-10 15:52:22 UTC
Giving drones with bounties, but then no sec status increase doesn't make sense. ATM, Rogue Drones replicate themselves, thus CONCORD has no idea that they exist unless killing them sends a signal that the NPC has died, and that it had to exist in order to die. CONCORD acknowledges that the NPC died, awards bounty but no sec status increase? In order for BOUNTIES to work you must be WANTED by CONCORD. I'm really disappointed in the Devs that tackled the Drone Region problem.

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Eva Volkova
Perkone
Caldari State
#79 - 2012-04-10 15:52:56 UTC
CCP Affinity wrote:
Tsubutai wrote:
Does this mean that killing rogue drones will also increase security status now?



At the moment rogue drones function exactly as before - so no sec status increase, however, we might look into this at a later point.


will you confirm no loot no haulers no officers no changes to plexes?

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Liang Nuren
No Salvation
Divine Damnation
#80 - 2012-04-10 15:53:04 UTC  |  Edited by: Liang Nuren
Caellach Marellus wrote:

My only concern is that for the pug fleets that were spending time to form up with their T1 guns etc and pulling in 50-60 mil p/h, the change to both how the sites spawn and the 10% nerf to VG payouts may well force them back into L4 missioning. Intended or unfortunate sideeffect?


I'm sorry, do you think that someone is gonna be running high sec L4s with T1 guns and get 60M/hr? 60M/hr with utter and total scrubs is freaking amazing for that kind of minimal SP investment. Roll

-Liang

Ed: I'm actually surprised the drop is only 10%, personally. /shrug

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