Jita Park Speakers Corner

Don't forget as a woman with a schlong

I love it how Goons swarm in here with feeble attacks on Jade.

We know why they do so. It's because Jade was a more prominent figure who also spoke fervently for applying the rules on The Mittani just as they would on others for breaking some rule(s).

Seeing that Jade is eloquent and to the point and the fact that The Mittani singled out a few specific characters, of which one was Jade, those now get targetted by his pubbie henchmen.
It just displays the poor quality of people behind the characters. How easy it is to manipulate the weakminded flock on the CFC core alliance to bid their masters will.
This just proves how dangerous The Mittani's speech and singling out a specific player was at the Fanfest and how right CCP was in applying sanctions.
Now a new witchhunt season has been opened by The Mittani by singling out a few others who dared to oppose him.

He doesn't have to call out to his flock to go harrass. He merely has to mention names in a negative way and the herd under his wings can't await to eagerly please their (puppet)master.
This kind of idolation has been seen time after time in human history. And not one of those segments in history are remembered fondly but only with shame and denial.

EVE was a game a few years ago, but sadly enough the game part has been lawined in by people who's ego's grew far outside the gaming world.
Even worse is the herd of simpleminded drones who just can't wait till someone leads them to be as inhumane as possible.

Throw off the shackles. Freedom of speech and more like that sort of uproars sprout over the internet. Regardless if their own socalled freedom is hurtfull, damaging or narrowing others freedom.
As soon as freedom of speech get's abused to hurt others it loses it's true spirit and becomes nothing else than a weapon to hurt, deny and overcome other people.
No need to discuss on a normal level. It's so damn easy to hide behind anonimity of the internet or behind your own personal points of vieuw without any regard to others.
Why even take responcebility for your actions. That isn't part of freedom, right.

Well so irrelevant I'm listed on your wiki as one of the goons ancient foes in eve online eh. Plus, "releasing" the irl info of another goon? Sorry but Gianturco did that when he ran for CSM. Just as I released my own when I did.

No I'd just like you to post with your main rather than hiding behind a fake posting identity (most likely because your main got banned for rl-harrassing other eve players).

Everyone can see your registration date. Your posting history is public knowledge. You have made 28 posts (of 29) in the period since Mittani got banned. You post identically to any of thousand random goon trolls and you are clearly using this identity to continue the nonsense you began on another character.

Your posts are generally one-liner insults and its clear you don't care if this character gets banned either. Its the scattergun approach of e-harrassment and forum cyber bullying really. You derail other threads and try to wind up people so they get their own more valuable posting identities with some actual reputation endangered by engaging with you.

So sure, its a strategy you are using. Bravo. But it doesn't really fool anyone.

Well Marksalot, firstly I do acknowledge the effort you made in addressing the post rather than simply slurring out personal attacks and ooc harassment like many of your fellows, so points for that.

For what it’s worth I too have never really believed in the ad hominem fallacy as a debating sacred cow. Sometimes it really is appropriate to attack the credibility of the person making the argument – particularly on an internet forum where so many “arguments” are actually rather cowardly deployments via alts and sock-puppets. By default (to my eyes) the argument of a person posting with their main and established Eve identity is more valid than the argument of an alt or cloaked identity because of the courage of convictions / standing up to be counted thing. Throwaway alts lead to throwaway opinions and hence ad hominem “you don’t count because you are an alt” does have some credence.

Now then, you begin by hinting that just because I’m referencing a smallish subgroup (1-4) of Goons with the worst behaviour I’m being unfair to categorize the whole by their misdeeds. Problem is these few do set the tone for the average goon member. Many if not most goons are simply uncreative / unimaginative followers. They use the goon-wiki and other internal sources to inform their behaviour.

One of the “1-4 mouthbreathing unwashed basement dwelling poison-pen spewing self-hating cybernerds” (you acknowledge do exist in Goonswarm) simply needs to post an Eve enemies real life picture beside accusation of child-abuse on your wiki – and thousands of others will repeat this accusation by uncritical repetition and unconscious peer-pressure. Hence the 1-4 “worst examples” of your community will inevitably come to be the leading opinion-makers and will beat the drum for the thousand footsoldiers behind.

You go on to misrepresent my next line, claiming I have said that CCP will “turn off” pvp “because of goons” which is not what I’ve said at all. Nor have I said that goons are the only people that e-stalk people.

What I have said is that goons are the poster-children for e-stalking and extreme metagaming of out of game attacks. Currently we have an issue going up in the assembly hall for CSM members to have anonymity through fear of cyber-stalking (largely perpetrated by goons) because of the understanding (born from assessment of SA culture) that anything posted on the internet is a valid weapon against an enemy (including one’s RL name, photograph, contact details and RL address.)

Goon’s very much popularized e-stalking in eve online. The smoske signatures mocking a rl player’s death. The lady scarlet harassment campaign to drive an enemy corp leader from the game, even the constant “e-prostitute” allegations made against me to this day. Your leader “Mittani” in his Ten Ton hammer column has gloried in the metagamed destruction of foes out of game (mocking SirMolle's blue collar job as a heating repairman for example) and he (mittani) quite understands the role that harassment and bullying against the player fills in these endeavours.

When I say that Eve risks getting “over-sanitized” as a knee-jerk response to Goon misbehaviour the kind of thing I mean is this:

I’m a roleplayer in this game. My character is not me. Your character is not you. I play a radical anarchist guerrilla/terrorist with an agenda to undermine nationalist imperialism in New Eden (the game world we play in). A large part of my roleplay used to be psychological warfare against in-character leaders and organizations delivered by public propaganda and local chat channels. Once upon a time I’d have been quite happy telling the Caldari nationalist CEO of a statist corp to “end himself” or “commit corporate seppuku to assuage the shame of his cowardice in war”. This was an adult roleplaying game and adult themes of death and murder and intrigue were acceptable.

But because your leader “Mittani” doesn’t believe Eve is a roleplaying game. And because Goons have taken the “kill yourself” meme to the extreme of trying to harass a target player to suicide on-stage at fanfest on live internet feeds. Now the impact is that I wouldn’t dare to say such a thing even in roleplay because the chances are that Eve GM’s have become supersensitive to this terminology and will use the “RP is not a cloak for bullying” term of the EULA to warn and ban me simply for roleplaying Jade the anarchist terrorist against statist government.

This is a tiny single example of goonswarm ruining an aspect of the game by undermining the notion of roleplay separation between player and character. You guys don’t believe in this separation – so you don’t believe anyone else should. Your culture doesn’t allow difference, its your way or the high way, and the consequence is that you will push matters to extremes by using this kind of threat against the player (which is e-harassment) in order to have the language sanitized by CCP in knee-jerk response.

Then we are back to the “this one time doesn’t matter” / “it was just that one time” thing.

You acknowledge that members of the goonswarm attempted RL harassment / e-bullying against my RL identity. But it doesn’t matter (to you) because it was “just this one time” and it was “some other goon wot did it”.

Fine, so why don’t YOU go and do what you can to separate yourself from this behaviour by removing my RL picture (and associated abuse) from the goonwiki which you have access too? Can’t be bothered? Or perhaps it’s because you agree with the notion of metagaming a RL personal attack against an “enemy player.” See how quickly the “its some other guy” becomes something you can be held responsible for.

Post with your main and I'll be happy to debate with you.

Rofl.
There is no prove this is your main.
The fact you want to discuss things that happened way way before you joined the game in a manner asif you have any clue as what it's about alone indicates the opposite.

There is man who is lucky to use discussion figure of rebuttal.
Why cant i know event of past if i am interested in history of eveand okay to use forum searching and blog digging to get known with it?Just because players like you dont wish me to be too clever?WHY they wish it?Because its easire to spread the hate amongst uninformed...

The whole " I am interested in EVE history and then your posting suggests clearly where you have been searching and which blogs you have been digging in.
You did a one sided research and formed your opinion on that.

I would applaud it if the average EVE player would attempt to become clever, but even more so if they would attempt to be well informed.
And on the topic of spreading hate amongst the uninformed you should really work a bit to get the whole story. I am sure you grasp what I am implying there. Now are you clever and know how to do the work to find the information I am hinting to and are you intelligent enough to form your own opinion after finding the whole story and not only the parts you were looking for.

It's easy to look at history as it is dished out to you, but remember, history is written by those who won. But the ones that lost also have a history, but it's easier to forget that.